<p>Look at the data and read the studies - it's not because the women are being discriminated in at college or professional schools. </p>
<p>Many researchers have looked at this and found it's not an issue among younger professionals. It's not until the "desire" for children arise that the women "drop out" and the inequality appears.</p>
<p>Coyote:</p>
<p>"reaped" with grammatical errors. ?????</p>
<p>"Umm...yeah...so, if there's such a huge "crisis" for men,"</p>
<p>Sorry to just come in without reading most of the previous threads, but I don't find the data in the original article to be very significant at all. </p>
<p>Plus, if it is actually true that Men are outperformed, that would be better for me since it lowers my expected standards. ;)</p>
<p>But in any case, "leaving in the dust" is not appropriate in describing the data.</p>
<p>It means characterized by grammatical errors.</p>
<p>You mean rife, not reaped.<br>
You reaped what you sowed.</p>
<p>marite, do you speak english with what we call ze french accent?</p>
<p>^^Nope. I've met Marite in "real life," and she now has what is pretty much an American accent.</p>
<p>darn,...well, can she fake a french accent?</p>
<p>rorosen:</p>
<p>Give me a week in Paris or a day reading only French works, and my American accent disappears pretty fast.</p>
<p>Occasionally, my "you rip what you sew" sounds exactly like "you reap what you sow." My S1 was in 3rd grade, he wrote a fairy tale featuring a French prince who spoke with a heavy French accent. When his teacher commented on it, he said he just wrote down the way his mom spoke. :(</p>
<p>your first-class ticket is in the mail,..but you'll have to buy your own quassants,.. kwasants,.. crosraints,...flakey pastries.</p>
<p>So long as I'm not called a flake or a fluke... One of my nieces seems to have forsaken croissants for waffles and maple syrup. The others have discovered American cereals with cold milk (!).</p>
<p>God bless their little red, white and blue hearts(works for either country, right?)</p>
<p>Fe/male scientists in academia.</p>
<p>Oops. My bad Marite. Thanks for the heads up. I guess I read the web too much because that is the only place where I found it used like that. But it is funny, because Webster's Dictionary pronounced rife with an I vowel as in rifel.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>because Webster's Dictionary pronounced rife with an I vowel as in rifel.>></p> </blockquote>
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<p>Sorry to be nitpicking but do you mean rifle? I do believe that the I in rife is pronounced like the I in rifle.</p>
<p>Yep. Another typo. I'm sorry. In school, I'm usually not this bad at spelling and I am a decent writer. </p>
<p>As for the pronounciation, I have definitely heard rife with a long, foreign "i" like reef. The same goes for "shire"; I learned "sheer" for some odd reason. </p>
<p>Back to the topic, the critical thing is let everyone learn and encourage people to go "back to school". I believe that it is important for adults to have the opportunities to get high level degress such as MDs and Phds later in life. It would give everyone opportunities so such a gender gap would likely be diminished due to societal pressurings that occurred during adolescence and childhood.</p>
<p>As long as everyone has lots of opportunities, these statistics should be ignored.</p>
<p>I think I'll end, at least for now, with that.</p>
<p>I am not so sure it is a keen idea to ignore these statistics, notwithstanding the availability of further educational opportunities. This imbalance, if it sustains (and it likely will) will cause significant social issues, including difficulties for college educated women to find suitable partners to marry. Wax philosophical all you want, but women who are educated not only desire educated spouses, they often find that an intellectual match is a necessity to make the relationship work. I do not blame them. I think the cause lies in what many of the women (and others) here have stated - women believe that the education is a necessity, and strive harder to get it. And their parents and others expect it of them. Not so with many young men. We give them a pass expectation wise - and think it is somehow "uncool" to be tough with young men - which one needs to be. </p>
<p>What perplexes me is that somehow many young men and boys don't catch on to the idea that being educated and mastering schoolwork is in fact the best way to show true mental toughness. Not so sure I was an intrinsic studier, but being from a poor single mother home, there was no way the wealthy kids were going to get one up on me. I loved competition - and viewed the academic world as just a place to test my mettle. (And I like and was successful at sports - so I could clearly compartamentalize the two). Where this kind of ethic has gone with boys is a mystery to me.</p>
<p>Mam1959, you say "women who are educated not only desire educated spouses, they often find that an intellectual match is a necessity to make the relationship work."</p>
<p>I would suggest to you that educational stats do not necessarily reflect intellectual ability, precisely because of the tendency of men to take formal education less seriously. My husband, who is one of the smartest men I've ever met, who's started and sustained several companies--often working 12 or more hours/day--dropped out of college after a few years; I have a graduate degree. I certainly consider us intellectual peers. </p>
<p>Incidentally, my husband describes another (extremely rich) hard-working entrepreneur who dropped out of college as "the smartest person I've ever met." I think many men--and a few women--get exactly the amount of education they actually need and then quit formal education to get on with their lives. We've certainly had a hard time persuading our son that he actually needs to finish college--he's ready to start his first company now, and in fact has already incorporated and started shipping products.</p>
<p>Educational status may not reflect a level of intelligence or intellectual acuity, but that does not mean in general women do not desire a partner of at that same level of education. In general they do. Of course there are exceptions, but it is folly to ignore the phenomena of disparate educational achievement between genders. It has started and will continue to be a problem. The professional women that work with me and for me relate this challenge often. Anecdotal? Sure. But there's enough data beginning to accumulate to verify it. I suspect that the increasing number of single parent homes, while not helpful to either gender, wreaks havoc on getting young men focused on studying. But in any event, I think it a problem - and it is not arbitrary or capricious to point it out.</p>
<p>Saw the following statistics on female academic accomplishments on another website:</p>
<p>Subject: Girl Majors the stats (81% take easy majors)</p>
<p>Here are the stats from of Girl Grads major's over a 10 year period.
(18%) English
(15%)Psych
(12%) Poly Sci
(9%) History
(8%) Foreign Area Studies (ie French stuff)
(8%) Dance, Music, Theater
(7%) Art History
(5%)Sociology
(3%) Anthropology
(3%)Women's Studies
(2%)French Lit
VERSUS
2.5% - Physics, Maths, BioChem, CS</p>