NY Times Op-Ed: Dump Legacy Preference

<p>^ LOL. I’m complaining, and it’s not because of “class envy” or because my kids didn’t get into an Ivy. My D1 got into her first choice school ED, without benefit of a legacy preference, thank you very much. She didn’t apply to any school where she would have been a legacy, though there were some good ones. I suggested to her at one point that she might think about applying to some of her legacy schools, but she just didn’t care for the schools, for one thing, and beyond that she thought the whole idea that she might have some kind of advantage because I went there or another family member went there kind of appalling. Honest. She’s always had her radar pretty finely tuned to what she deems to be social injustice, and she absolutely detests anything that smacks of class privilege, regardless of whether she’s on the beneficiary side of the privilege line or the side that’s getting the short straw. Her response was what got me thinking about the unfairness of it. And that interest was further piqued not by “urban legends” about this or that kid who didn’t get in—because that happens all the time, to legacies and non-legacies alike. It was the data, albeit somewhat meager, presented in the WSJ article, that suggested the legacy advantage was, statistically speaking, in fact much larger than I had ever realized, relying as I had up until then on the DOMINANT “urban legend” that legacy doesn’t really matter in the end—an urban legend belied by the only statistics I’ve seen on the subject, because the colleges themselves won’t reveal more.</p>

<p>Again, the point is not that “unqualified” legacies are being admitted into elite schools. Those schools have more qualified applicants, legacies and non-legacies, than they know what to do with. No, the unfairness lies in what is means for the unequal chances of admission among otherwise equally qualified people, with those holding the inherited status of “legacy” being awarded a thumb on the scale in their favor, increasing their odds of admission at the direct expense of reducing the chances of admission for those not blessed by accident of birth with that hereditary status. And that, it seems to me, strikes right at the heart of the principle of equality of opportunity that many of us profess to believe in.</p>

<p>Look, tilting the scales in favor of legacy is NOT like affirmative action for URMs, which is partly designed to correct for past racially exclusionary policies and practices, and in part to promote diversity within the student body. I should think that, other things equal, the more legacies in your student body, the LESS diverse you become. It’s not like recruiting the flautist for the orchestra or the quarterback for the football team or the film star—those are skills or talents that the school finds desirable to have in the mix in the student body. Being a legacy is not a skill or talent, it’s not an element of merit considered broadly and multi-facetedly and holistically, it not an element of diversity like being a URM or coming from an underrepresented state or some exotic country. It’s nothing but an inherited status. It’s not even an inherited TRAIT, like having brown eyes or being able to do that tongue-rolling thing; it’s an inherited social STATUS, for gosh sakes. It’s the closest thing we have in this country to being Lord So-and-So or Lady Such-and-Such. It has nothing at all to do with making the student body better, more interesting, more multi-talented, or more diverse. Its only purpose, and its only effect, is to perpetuate privilege. And I think it kind of stinks.</p>

<p>Your argument would be strong if legacies did not bring benefits. Who do you want to fund financial aid? The NYT offers no proof for the claim that alum continue to give as much money with no legacy preference. As a Fund raiser for my Alma mater and a former counselor at an uber elite school filled with ivy legacies, I’ve personally seen many seven and eight figure donations timed perfectly to reap the legacy tip.</p>

<p>bclintonk–</p>

<p>I hope your daughter isn’t silly enough to pass up networking opportunities once she gets out in the business world. She will find it really isn’t what you know so much as who you know, past a certain point. I hope she doesn’t remain so silly and naive as she gets older.</p>

<p>Thanks bclintonk for expressing my thought as well.</p>

<p>Our son just completed the application to his father’s alma mater, which is also our state’s most selective public university. It asked for names and graduation dates of any alumni relatives. I believe this is information that would possibly benefit fundraising efforts, not an applicants admission chances. Especially our son, whose father spent several semesters on academic probation!</p>

<p>I don’t see anything wrong with giving a legacy the nod over another applicant with the same stats in the same way that affirmative action should give special consideration to minorities with the same qualifications. When students have the same qualifications is the only time EITHER of these should be the deciding factor. Unfortunately this is not the reality of the situation.</p>

<p>“Why does that entitled them to a special advantage over an equally bright, talented, and hard-working child of immigrant parents, whose ancestors never had the chance to attend one of these colleges?”</p>

<p>It doesn’t. But why do you think that’s who they’re getting an advantage over? I’m guessing that legacies, to the extent that they’re accepted over anyone else, are accepted over other equally bright, talented, and hard-working kids from other well-to-do families.</p>

<p>Maybe colleges like legacy students because they bring a sense of tradition (and perhaps a bit of prestige) to the student body. If colleges were to lose that sense of continuity and heritage would so many people still want to go there?</p>

<p>Nobody is entitled to admissions to top universities and I think that universities should be able to decide how they want to admit students, as long as they aren’t breaking any laws and discriminating against federally protected groups. Are legacy admissions fair? No. But life isn’t fair. People get jobs based on who they know all the time.</p>

<p>Also, we’re conflating legacy admissions with unworthy admissions. I highly doubt that a legacy applicant who is far below the school’s averages is going to get admitted unless their parents are truly loaded and build the school a new library or something (and then it’s just quid pro quo). Most legacy admits, I’d wager, are students who could’ve gotten in on their own merit anyway but just got a small boost from being legacies.</p>

<p>The various civil rights acts and litigation were not meant for legacy preference admissions. Also, I noticed that this author didn’t mention how much legacy admission rates exceed the regular ones or whether or not legacies are disproportionately represented in the student body as opposed to the applicant pool.</p>

<p>Children of faculty and staff are not legacies unless their parents went to the school.
And I don’t say this because I’ll benefit from legacy admissions. I’m only 24, I have no children, and my undergraduate college was great but it was a second-tier liberal arts college.</p>

<p>There is a really good discussion here related to this topic:</p>

<p>[Should</a> you go to an Ivy League School? Gene Expression](<a href=“http://www.gnxp.com/wp/uncategorized/should-you-go-to-an-ivy-league-school]Should”>http://www.gnxp.com/wp/uncategorized/should-you-go-to-an-ivy-league-school)</p>

<p>What caught my attention are the following:</p>

<p>“” Contrary to what you may have heard (“All top-ranked schools are the same”); it in fact looks like the difference between top-ranked Harvard and 9th ranked Dartmouth is on the order of ~$4,000 a year (perhaps $100,000-$200,000 over the course of a lifetime?). That difference grows to something like $18,000 over 25th ranked UCLA, per year.“”</p>

<p>""If Dan Ariely is really concerned about inequality, perhaps he should complain more about his University’s (Harvard) Admissions processes. There are few forces in the country so strongly promotive of inter-generational wealth accumulation as College Admissions practices, particularly at the top end of the wealth distribution, yet they remain very under-discussed whenever these topics come up.
“”
This goes a long way in explaining why so many groups are fighting for Harvard; it is a king maker.</p>

<p>As someone who just went through this with son and the legacy factor did not result in acceptance, I still favor it. </p>

<p>Son had 2070 SAT/34ACT and 4.4 GPA and still was waitlisted at my Ivy alma mater. In case you wonder, I have given generously for 25+ years, endowed a small scholarship and interview applicants for the school each year. Still, that was not enough for admission. So–#1–it’s not the factor many of you who post think it is; and #2–despite that, I still think it’s a worthwhile criterion to use in admissions. It isn’t just about money, it’s about reinforcing a culture that legacies might understand better than kids whose parents didn’t go to the school. Remember, legacies are a PART of the class, but only a PART–there are anywhere from 80% to 95% non-legacies in the classes. </p>

<p>All the parents on this board have great kids who they think are awesome. I do too. That still doesn’t mean that the admissions officers at these schools see it the same way. </p>

<p>Face it, you’re all trying to impose structure and predictability on a process that is anything but. Instead of whining about it, support your kid in whatever school s/he is admitted to and decides to attend. They and you will be better off for it.</p>