NYTimes: Some Colleges to Drop Out of U.S. News Rankings

<p>Yes, the more competitive colleges - especially if you're seeking merit $ - are looking for everything possible: high gpa/rank/most rigorous classes - IB/AP, community service, impressive test scores, even 5's on the AP tests themselves (although some schools don't require that you submit them until accepted, but if you've done very well, it's in the student's favor, IMO, to submit the AP scores.)</p>

<p>It is almost impossible to beat out such stellar students unless you have something unusual to offer: i.e., outstanding athletic skill coupled w/a still strong academic background.</p>

<p>College admissions are getting more challenging every year, especially in light of financial considerations for many families. IMO, we're going to see an influx of more IVY capable students attend the state universities across the country in the future. Many are opting for state u's presently because of financial issues and these students have been offered $$$ from the state u's.</p>

<p>Good luck to all....</p>

<p>Here is the latest New York Times article on efforts by groups of colleges to post college information on the Web. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/education/04rankings.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/education/04rankings.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I've seen a mock-up of the NASUGLC website format (for the "Voluntary System of Accountability"), and it looks pretty interesting. A nice combination of tables anf figures which hit all the usual things people seem interested in here. Plus space for reporting of key NSSE questions and College Learning Assessment results, provided the school participates in either of those.</p>

<p>Thanks for mentioning the draft document. Is this </p>

<p><a href="http://www.nasulgc.org/VSATemplate-Draft-6-25-07.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nasulgc.org/VSATemplate-Draft-6-25-07.pdf&lt;/a> </p>

<p>what you saw? I agree that the format looks user-friendly and seems to cover a lot of the usual questions about colleges.</p>

<p>The Times article says:
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The public universities have proposed going further than the private ones to make public data sought by the federal education secretary that shows whether their students are actually learning and developing in college.

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This sounds fine, but how do they propose measuring "learning and developing?"</p>

<p>Yep, tokenadult, that's what I saw. I'm glad you linked this--I have a hard copy that a colleague just handed me, but hadn't seen it "on screen."</p>

<p>As for learning and developing I suppose NSSE, CLA, and (possibly) the Senior version of CIRP might get at that. Sort of.</p>

<p>yeah, but why do NSEE colleges REFUSE to publish their results now?</p>

<p>Rankings don't gauge a college's true worth
Tuesday, July 10, 2007</p>

<p>The Kenyon web site still brags about Kenyon's US news ranking, but here is what S. Georgia Nugent, president of Kenyon College said in an editorial page column (I saw this in the Cleveland Plain Dealer)</p>

<p>Are we sore that we're not No. 1? </p>

<p>No. </p>

<p>Almost 100 college presidents have acted collectively to improve the admissions process and accountability in higher education: We intend to stop participating in the surveys that underlie the U.S. News and World Report annual college rankings. Last month in Annapolis, Md., we issued a statement that we intend to make more and better information available to prospective students. </p>

<p>The presidents' major objection is that the U.S. News ranking does not serve students and families well. For example, the survey doesn't pay direct attention to education. It doesn't measure students' experience or learning. Instead, it focuses, for the most part, on institutional wealth. </p>

<p>One might argue that institutional wealth is a proxy for the quality of student learning. But current research and my own experience would belie that. </p>

<p>I spent my undergraduate years and most of my professional career at Princeton, whose endowment makes it, per capita, probably the wealthiest institution in the country. (Not incidentally, it is always at the top of the magazine's rankings.) </p>

<p>Undeniably, Princeton provides an excellent education. And so does Kenyon, a college with a much smaller per capita endowment but an enormous commitment to undergraduate learning. </p>

<p>I have been astounded by the quality of education that a small, less-wealthy college can provide. </p>

<p>This year, as many students at Kenyon as at Harvard University and Stanford University received Goldwater scholarships, the premier national award for undergraduates in science, math and engineering. And 10 of our students were named Fulbright scholars. </p>

<p>Other small colleges have similar stories to tell. A survey that focuses so much on measures of wealth is not providing information that accurately reflects the learning possibilities a college offers. </p>

<p>In addition to data focused mainly on wealth, U.S. News attributes 25 percent of its ranking to a "reputational survey" completed by college presidents. The participation of college presidents seems to be a major selling point of the magazine and implies that experts are making a meaningful evaluation. But the point of greatest unanimity among the Annapolis presidents is that the reputational survey is a meaningless exercise. </p>

<p>The public needs to be aware of the survey instrument that garners this allegedly reliable expert data. As presidents of liberal arts colleges, we receive seven single-spaced pages, listing 269 colleges, each followed by a line of six boxes (one to five, plus "I don't know"). We are asked to check a box. This research instrument is as finely-honed as the feedback card you might receive at a motel or a fast-food restaurant. </p>

<p>Finally, a major concern of the college presidents is the absurdity of reducing the richness of college experience to a single number, resulting in an ordinal "ranking," in the mode of a "top hits" list. </p>

<p>Embarking on a college education is not like buying a car or a major appliance. Yet the consumer-oriented production of a ranking relies on that false analogy. Despite unfortunate rhetoric - coming even from the federal government - education is not a product you buy. It's a process in which you engage. In fact, choosing a college is itself an educational process, but that process has been short-circuited and distorted by the rankings game. </p>

<p>Colleges recognize that education is a major investment and that such an investment should be made with care, on the basis of meaningful information. </p>

<p>With the Annapolis announcement, college presidents are reaffirming educational values, rather than marketplace gimmicks. The presidents who voted to step back from the U.S. News survey are committed to providing more detailed and meaningful information to prospective students and their families. There are already means to do so. </p>

<p>The National Survey of Student Engagement, developed at Indiana University, collects data truly related to educational experience and outcomes. More than 1,100 colleges and universities have chosen to participate. NSSE does not make the information public, but colleges can - and do. In addition, the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities has developed and is refining a template for institutions to use in making clear, significant data about their schools widely available online. The standardized template allows for comparisons across colleges and also permits institutions to clarify their distinctive aspects. </p>

<p>By ending compliance with a deeply flawed program, colleges will take a positive step to assist students and families to educate themselves about their choices, based on sound and reliable information. The appeal of a simplistic rating is easy to understand, but when that rating lacks, in the words of one study, "any defensible empirical or theoretical basis," it surely is not the best introduction to a college education.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-skube8jul08,0,6137792.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-skube8jul08,0,6137792.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The headline on Skube's LA Times article says "The No. 1 reason to rank colleges" but the reason does not appear in the piece (headline editors!). The article does praise the collection of some of the data USNWR reports, and suggests that the magazine is better than no data at all.</p>

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yeah, but why do NSEE colleges REFUSE to publish their results now?

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<p>Not all of do. Some participate in USNews' request for NSSE data, and others post their results on their own websites.</p>

<p>That strikes me as weird. I wanted to find data from some colleges but I didn't get too much information -- it's more frustrating than anything else.</p>