<p>Thanks to all who gave feedback on this program. My D sent her letter in yesterday declining CMU and we sent the deposit for CAP21. Being able to hear from others who have done it really helped her to solidify her choice. Now she is really looking forward to the experience of the program. We have visited the city 5 times, but having free reign will be new for her...</p>
<p>theatermom</p>
<p>You are completely right. I never spoke to faculty only my friends and their parents, sorry I should have made that clear. I think all they meant was CMU is extremely competitive and if u go to the program they will know all your bad habits, weaknesses, strengths, times when you BS stuff, etc. And if you werent the shining star there at the program, you are an easy passover when it comes to making decisions. Again, only hearsay...I think CMU is probably a wonderful program and not trying to discourage anyone...jyust trying to let everyin know what I have heard form my friends. </p>
<p>HAve a good summer all!</p>
<p>Thanks for your response Cadget03. </p>
<p>If someone has to worry that by going to CMU pre-college they are going to reveal, in your words, their "bad habits, weaknesses,....times when you BS stuff, etc." that assumes they think they can slip in under the radar with a drop-dead great audition. And that might happen. But guess what - it's one of those "pay me now or pay me later" situations. If a student has a poor work ethic and has to BS stuff, they won't last in a program like the one at CMU (or CCM or UM or NYU), cut policy or no cut policy. And if you are afraid to reveal and work on what you DON'T know, these so-called weakness will never get any better. The faculty at CMU aren't looking for finished product, especially during pre-college. They want to see who has the raw tools, the strong work ethic, the ability to take and use constructive criticism and the drive to succeed in a business where you don't get anywhere by hiding anything.</p>
<p>Well Put! I actually could not agree with you more. And thanks for being one of the nice people who simply states their opinion as oppose to berating the other party stating what they have heard. I appreciate it greatly! I'm sure your daughter who went through the CMU program has a much better perspective on this than me anyways. :)</p>
<p>collegebound87</p>
<p>I reviewed the NYU Steinhardt housing contract. You need to show proof of age 16 to stay in the dorms for the steinhardt MT program. I don't know if the same applys to the other programs.</p>
<p>I'm a little confused about the age for NYU dorms. I called today about the Steinhart program, to get information, dates, etc. as another possible program for my D for this summer. I was told you must be 17 to even BE in this program, but the post by mommd says the housing contract says 16. Anyone have any info?</p>
<p>Perhaps NYU Steinhardt contract is different than NYU CAP21? I KNOW that 16 year olds were not allowed to room in the dorms for CAP21-- because I had my friend from NC stay with me in the suburbs and commute to NYC mainly because she wasn't allowed to stay in dorms</p>
<p>Hi, My daughter is going to the 3 week MT intensive at Steinhardt. She is only 16 but will have completted her junior year. She will be staying in NYU housing and that has been extablished, okayed etc. When I first inquired about the program and housing, I was told 17 was the minimun, but after being persistent and reaching the head of the program, I was assured that as long as she was an incoming Sr in HS, the 17 yr age could be waived. Hope that helps. PS To mommd, we live in Ct as well. Let me know where you are etc and perhaps our daughters could speak prior to the program.
Would love to hear from anyone else planning on attending this program.
Signed, CTparent...Nanci</p>
<p>My son is attending the NYU Steinhardt summer MT workshop, too. </p>
<p>vocaldad</p>
<p>I'm a little confused...there are two CAP21 programs? I think the one that I'm hoping to apply to for the next summer is the one directly from the CAP21 website, but I remember seeing a "section" at NYU's website about a CAP21 program. Which of these is the "less" competitive one? I'm really hoping to go for the independent CAP program rather than the one that is associated with NYU. </p>
<p>Also, if it is true that CAP accepts by rolling admissions (if we're talking about the independent CAP), then would late March be too late to audition live? I'd be able to send in a tape, but I'd rather audition live, but I probably wouldn't be able to do that until around spring break.</p>
<p>Jalexis, yes, there are two CAP21 programs. They're both competitive to get into, but in different ways. The Tisch program is sort of a very condensed version of the type of study which students get during the school year. Only 32 students are accepted and you get six college credits. Usually you must be a rising senior, and have a minimum of a 3.0 gpa. There is no audition. You complete the application, write a short essay, get recommendations, and send a transcript. It is very similar to the college app process. You are provided with housing in an NYU dorm and must live there for the duration of the program. There are RA's which supervise evening outings and activities. You must be 17 to stay in the NYU dorms. Days are spent in classes. I believe that the deadline for applying is usually around March 10, and ALL materials have to be received by that date. Getting everything in earlier is advisable.</p>
<p>CAP21's own program is a six week program which requires an audition. There is no college credit awarded, nor is there an academic stipulation for admission. No housing is provided. No one can tell you definitely whether there will be space left in the program if you wait until a certain date to audition. That is one of the risks of rolling admissions. From reports here, and elsewhere, both programs are valuable to those who want a summer program. Good luck with your decision!</p>
<p>I'm slightly confused on what the difference between the NYU sponsered program and the plain CAP21 program, other than the heavier supervision for the NYU summer program. Is there any difference in the training and classes taken? Where do you stay if you are not in the NYU program? Would you recommend one over the other?</p>
<p>Don't know as many details about the Tisch program as I attended the CAP one, so if anyone wants to give details about the Tisch program, I can give what I know.</p>
<p>The CAP program is 6 weeks long. You must find your own housing. I know people who lived in NYU dorms, which you must be 17 to live in. (There was some discussion about why there are 16 y/o living in dorms. The rules are if you are not attending a NYU sponsored program, you must be over 17! And since the CAP is offered through CAP, you must be 17 to live in dorms). I took classes in Vocal Technicque, Vocal Performance, Music Theory, Improv, Tap, Jazz, Ballet and Acting. Classes were held at the CAP 21 studio, where all your classes will be held if you go to CAP for college. My schedule ran like this
Mon: 10-11:30 Vocal Tech, 11:30-1:30 Acting, 1:30-2:30 lunch, 2:30-3:40 Tap, 2:45-5 Improv
Tues: 10-11 Music Theory, 11-1 Vocal Perf., 1-2 lunch, 2-3:30 Jazz, 3:30-5 Ballet
Wed: Same as Mon
Thurs: Same as Tues
Friday: 10-12 Acting, 12-1 lunch, 1-2:30 jazz, 2:30-4 ballet.
So I has jazz, ballet and acting 3 times a week, and everything else twice a week.</p>
<p>A lot of the teachers were also teaching the Tisch kids. And about the training, based on the fact that the CAP kids are there 2 weeks longer than the Tisch kids, I believe that CAP kids receive more training and I heard that since you are required to enroll in a NY Theatre compaion course, that class times away from studio time. The Tisch kids apparently did not see the teachers as often as CAP kids did. Now if that is wrong, let me know. It is only what I heard from when I attended CAP. </p>
<p>I know I would recommend the CAP program, and maybe I'm biased because that's the one I attended. But I applied to both last year and was accepted to both and the head of CAP 21 called me to tell me I had to make a decision. I chose CAP based on the fact that it seemed more intensive. The CAP one give you a real feel of what college will be like. You are on your own. No one tells you what to do. Basically you have to be at CAP from 10-5 and what you do after and on weekends is your own choice. If you want to stay out till 3 am doing whatever, you can, but you better be sure you are in class on time the next day! </p>
<p>As far as helping kids get into NYU/CAP for college, the stats they told us were that from last summer, (Summer 04) 20 kids from the pre-college program applied to NYU and 18 got in! They also had a question and answer session with the head of Tisch admissions, who enede up being the woman sitting in on my audition! And sitting in on my dance audition was my ballet teacher! So you definitedly make connections in the CAP program.</p>
<p>Now that I've typed a novel, I will stop. If anyone has more questions about the CAP program, message me</p>
<p>dd not realze that there were two MT summer programs at NYU? But was confused when readng the applcaton that t sad 4 week program and my D's friend went last year for 6, I think. I'll have to look more closely at what she is applying to. Should she apply to both? Any feed back will be very helpful!
Har</p>
<p>TheatreGuy, you're in CAP now? I think that's what you are saying because you said you auditioned after doing the summer program. Cool! I have a daughter in CAP as a freshman now too. You likely even know her but I don't want to use names on the forum. If you want to PM me, that's fine. She was telling me that 27 kids from the summer program are now in her class but who knows. In any case, there are a lot. She is NOT one of them. Funny thing is about the age limit you are relating about the dorms because when she started NYU/Tisch/CAP this fall, she was ONLY 16 and lives in a dorm, LOL. I hope you love the program. She does! Thanks for coming onto the forum and sharing what you know from the "inside" with prospective students and their parents. Good luck with final exams and final reviews.</p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>PS, disregard some of this because I just realized you auditioned THIS FALL for ED, I'm pretty sure, NOT last year and I read your post wrong, oops.</p>
<p>evasmom, it IS confusing but the two MT summer programs at NYU are the CAP21 Tisch program and the Steinhardt program. The one that theatreguy just described is NOT an NYU program, it is offered directly through CAP21 itself and has nothing to do with Tisch. The biggest difference, in my opinion, is that with the Tisch CAP21 program the student gets college credit, and they don't through CAP21's own program. The differences would be similar to the differences between the NYU students who are in Tisch's CAP21 classes and those individuals who choose to take classes at the CAP21 studio conservatory program without benefit of NYU. CAP21, like all of Tisch's acting studios, are professional studios which run a different stream of classes for Tisch students than for those who are taking random classes at the studio. NYU has a contract with the various studios to provide studio training to Tisch's students. All studio classes are taken at the individual studios. All other classes are taken at NYU, so although theatreguy says that all your Tisch CAP21 students' college classes would be taken at the CAP21 studio, that's not true. :) </p>
<p>Both are good programs but there are differences, most of which are personal choice but the fact that the Tisch program gives students college credit is going to be a big advantage in many student's minds.</p>
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<li>No I am not at CAP. I am waiting to hear right now! </li>
<li>CAP 21 does not offer classes without the benefit of NYU. Unlike most of the other studios NYU uses, CAP only works with NYU students during the year. The only way you can take classes at CAP is if you do either the summer programs (there is one for college kids as well as pre-college)</li>
<li>Evasmom - I would apply to both. Thats what I did. I chose the CAP one based on the fact that it seemed more intensive. But the NYU program is based soley on application and essays and recommendations vs the CAP is based majorly on your audition.</li>
<li>Maybe I wasn't clear, but when I said that all your classes are taken at the CAP studio, I meant all you studio classes. Yes you will be taking classes at other buildings such as your writing classes and theatre history classes. But the classes you take over the summer are the same classes you will be taking in the same building year round if accepted into NYU!</li>
<li>The main difference between the CAP program and the NYU program is NOT the fact that you get college credits. The CAP program is much more intensive (in my opinion) than the NYU program. Even if you know nothing about the classes and teachers or whatever. The sheer fact that the CAP program is 6 weeks versus the 4 of NYU shows you that you will receive more training. Also, the kids in the NYU program saw certain teachers less than us in the CAP program.
Again, any questions, let me know! Will be more than happy to answer all your questions!</li>
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<p>Hope you get good news soon! The waiting is SOOO... hard.</p>
<p>yeah it is!!! I'm dying! Rumor is they mailed them out on the 9th!! So being I live in DC...not too far for a letter to travel!</p>
<p>theatreguy, you're right. I had forgotten that CAP21 no longer offers classes, other than their new works programs and reading series, to individuals who are not Tisch students. You're certainly entitled to your opinion as to the main difference ;), but my D who is a junior at Tisch and who has many friends who did each program found the major difference to be the credits earned. The classes may have differed slightly, and it's 4 weeks vs. 6 weeks. Also, one other thing which MAY be considered the main difference between the two to many folks, is that the Tisch program costs about twice as much (but includes housing). As I said, there are kids at Tisch who have done both programs but there are also kids who have done others such as CMU and Northwestern, Interlochen, Stage Door, and many, many kids who have done none of these! </p>
<p>I wish all of you kids the best of news in the next few days. The year my D received her good news, it was Friday the 13th, which she has loved ever since! :)</p>