NYU is not a top CC college?

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<p>NYU is based upon location, unfortunately, and is weak-ish otherwise. That being said, there was a student from my HS who is going there and I think she'll have a lot of fun. However, she wasn't the best student or anything.</p>

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<p>Worldband, can you clarify as to why you believe these surveys are "bias", and why it "sounds like WUSTL"?</p>

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<p>A peer survey is based upon opinion. Most people, even many faculty, have only a limited selection of schools that they know of with any clarity. Thus, the "peer assesment" is skewed based upon those institutions which advertise heavily and/or have become ingrained in the minds of most people, regardless of the actual education that the institution offers. Thus, the WUSTL example. It's a good school, but it has been known in recent years to advertise heavily in order to increase it's own notoriety. Now, that in itself is not a bad thing. But, it does play for a better USNews score. Another example brought up is the Tufts/Ohio State bit, where both schools supposedly share the same peer ranking. Well, obviously there is a massive difference in the actual reputation/academic calibre between these two. Here is my thing: These rankings are done for sales. They are heavily manipulated, organized, and skewed, and there have been many findings that support this. Yes, media rankings carry some value, but in actuality very, very little on the world stage and in life. Thus, calling Tufts "not a top university because of its Peer rating" is against reason and knowledge. </p>

<p>Please understand that this is not anything against your comments, but i'm just reminding everyone how wafer-thin these rankings actually are, and how they distort reality among the academic and professional world.</p>

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<p>I was actually beginning to think that my school isnt good because it only got a 3.5</p>

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<p>I understand completely, I just wanted a different opinion other than Sternman's that was anti-peer assessment, and you have some good evidence. Like I said, there is no perfect college ranking.</p>

<p>I actually think a lot of the reason publics seem to get high rankings in peer assessment is because they get so much exposure through athletics, having their schools advertised on national television frequently in a year.</p>

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<p>"I actually think a lot of the reason publics seem to get high rankings in peer assessment is because they get so much exposure through athletics, having their schools advertised on national television frequently in a year."</p>

<p>-- I agree exactly.</p>

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When did the real world start basing entire school's reputations on bias Peer surveys? Hmmm... sounds like WUSTL to me...

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A peer survey is based upon opinion. Most people, even many faculty, have only a limited selection of schools that they know of with any clarity. Thus, the "peer assesment" is skewed based upon those institutions which advertise heavily and/or have become ingrained in the minds of most people, regardless of the actual education that the institution offers. Thus, the WUSTL example. It's a good school, but it has been known in recent years to advertise heavily in order to increase it's own notoriety.

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<p>I think you two are misunderstanding something. There is a difference between U.S. News ranking and peer assessment. I think you are giving peer assessment too little credit. It is based on surveys of many University presidents, faculty, and such, who often have a lot of knowledge about many different universities (they certainly have more credibility than we).</p>

<p>Now, WUSTL is infamous in manipulating the U.S. News rankings, not the peer reviews. It does this by taking certain criteria used to rank and manipulating them to make itself seem better. For example, it waitlists way too many people and accept them later to make its admit rate appear lower. However, that doesn't really affect the peer reviews. That's why if you actually bothered to take a look at the rankings and the peer review numbers, you will find that WUSTL has a lower peer assessment score than other top 15 universities.</p>

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I actually think a lot of the reason publics seem to get high rankings in peer assessment is because they get so much exposure through athletics, having their schools advertised on national television frequently in a year.

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<p>Come on, you really think University presidents, who have visited other campuses and done research on their programs, really will think its quality of education is better because it has a good sports team? If we as prospective/college students can see through it surely they can.</p>

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<p>Well, I don't believe I'm misunderstanding anything - and I certainly agree with you concerning WUSTL. However, college administrators are far from fullproof, especially when they have to rate hundreds of universities. I think that you, myself, and A2Wolves6 are actually following the same line of agreement.</p>

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<p>I don't think university presidents have the time to research every school's overall reputation, and thus, if they've heard of the school in one way or another (Worldband made one example of how WUSTL sends out fliers and publically advertises itself) then they are going to give it a higher peer rating, as schools will be looked into more. </p>

<p>That's what I my argument was with athletics, lots of schools with top notch athletics and solid schools (Minnesota comes to mind) may have a higher rating than a school like Tufts, who lacks the national reputation. I know that in the midwest, few kids know of Tufts, while everyone knows of a school like Minnesota through their hockey championships and football bowl games.</p>

<p>I think we can all agree that the peer assessment isn't perfect, however, I think that it's more telling of a school's quality and perception publically than the overall ranking in US News, and I think that's how this discussion started.</p>

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<p>"I think that it's more telling of a school's quality and perception publically than the overall ranking in "</p>

<p>That means you think Ohio State should be tied in ranking with Tufts. At the least, it means you think Ohio and Tufts should be around the same ranking rather than the way they are now on the overall level. That is absurd.</p>

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<p>No sternman, that's not what I said, and I didn't make these rankings.</p>

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<p>that's exactly what you said. Make what rankings? I didn't say you made any rankings. You said exactly in post 49:</p>

<p>"I think we can all agree that the peer assessment isn't perfect, however, I think that it's more telling of a school's quality and perception publically than the overall ranking in US News, and I think that's how this discussion started."</p>

<p>Read especially:</p>

<p>"I think that it's more telling of a school's quality and perception publically than the overall ranking in US News"</p>

<p>Unless by "publically" you mean laymen's prestige then I'll have to disagree with you. Obviously the overall UsNews ranking which puts Tufts over Ohio State is more "telling of a school's quality".</p>

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<p>I don't think NYU has a very good Engineering program. :rolleyes:</p>

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<p>agreeed. i also hate its med school and its school of magic. Hogwarts is way better.</p>

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<p>The ranking you are referring to was conducted by the peers of US News. Those are their rankings not mine. I don't agree with every single rating they did, however, I agree that generally speaking the peer assessment ranking is more telling of a school's academic quality than the US News overall ranking. I've stated this numerous times.</p>

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<p>Yea I know that is THEIR rankings. I didn't accuse you of anything.</p>

<p>I just wanted to know why you think so. If you think THEIR peer assessment is more telling than THEIR usnews overall ranking then tufts would be around with ohio state rather than way above it. i'm not saying those rankings are yours lol what the....</p>

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<p>Just because Stern is in NY does not mean that they will automatically get jobs at good firms. Especially with much more competition from Ivy grads and other good business schools near the northeast than out on the west coast.</p>

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<p>I've already stated why I believe peer assessment is more telling than the overall ranking in the other thread you're trolling me at.</p>

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<p>i don't troll. your statement also means, however, that tufts = ohio?</p>

<p>hecaton: did i say they auto get jobs? their job placement at these firms are just BETTER.</p>

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<p>My statement doesn't mean that. You aren't reading. Go to bed.</p>