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<p>Post #55 is merely a statement of truth, which part of it are you calling "an entire claim".</p>
<p>"99.9% of the kids at Stern did not get into the Ivys, so are going to Stern by default."</p>
<p>if you search the CC boards alone, you will find a good 15-20 people who gave up ivies, and even hyp to go to nyu stern...
You will also note that stern is nearly always picked above cornell, which is an ivy. </p>
<p>Since theres 500 per class, 99.9% would be one student every other year gives up an ivy.</p>
<p>"99.9% of the kids at Stern did not get into the Ivys, so are going to Stern by default."</p>
<p>That is a totally dumb statement. I'm going to CAS, not Stern, and I turned down 2 Ivies for NYU. Though this will change if by some miracle of God I get in off the Harvard wait-list, the point is that taking NYU instead of one of the non-holy trinity Ivies (ie not HYP) is not unheard of at all. Also, NYU econ. is pretty respected and better than most of the Ivy econ. departments from what I hear.</p>
<p>"99.9% of the kids at Stern did not get into the Ivys, so are going to Stern by default."</p>
<p>that is not true at all. many top students want to major in business so even though they are accepted at ivies, they would rather go to a school with a top business program (ie. stern as well as ross, sloan, haas) my friend who has gotten into brown and cornell is opting for either stern or washu's olin school of business b/c she wants to study for business.</p>
<p>Funny, I turned down Cornell and Brown for NYU as well. My majors: economics and math.</p>
<p>Most people who go to Stern did not get into the Ivys - if you did and you went to Stern it is usually a money issue. You guys act like you can't get into Wall Street from a school that is not NYU. I know someone who graduated from UChicago, works for Merryl Lynch in NYC first year out of college and is making close to 6 figures. They are also paying him to go back to UChicago, not Stern to get his MBA. This is because UChicago, like Columbia, is a better school with a better reputation than Stern. Period.</p>
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<blockquote> <p>Whoever said this is on something or never been to Harlem. Columbia is in a crappy area, no question there. NYU's location destroys Columbia's.</p> </blockquote>
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<p>And you have never been to Morningside Heights, where Columbia is located. Columbia has a BEAUTIFUL campus. I would not recommend walking 10 blocks north of Columbia, but it is definitely has a gem location in NYC. The entire area is like a lovely college town with bars restaurants etc. If you want to go downtown, it's not a big deal with a 20 minute subway ride.</p>
<p>"Most people who go to Stern did not get into the Ivys - if you did and you went to Stern it is usually a money issue." - or if you just wanted to study undergraduate business...not everyone can get into wharton ya know. </p>
<p>"You guys act like you can't get into Wall Street from a school that is not NYU." - i dont think anyone is saying this. however, wat is true is the fact that INTERNSHIPS in the city are easier to get when you go to nyu (AND columbia for that matter) and in turn when you graduate, your foot is already in the door of a company.
"I know someone who graduated from UChicago, works for Merryl Lynch in NYC first year out of college and is making close to 6 figures. They are also paying him to go back to UChicago, not Stern to get his MBA." - Perhaps the person is majoring in econ which is better at chicago than nyu? who knows. so you know "someone" who did this and that. my father is an upper level manager for morgan stanley and he's told me numerous times (since im going into the business field also) that they recruit heavily from nyu, columbia, chicago, umich-ross, and upenn-wharton. I don't think anyone here is saying nyu is the only way to get a job on wall street b/c it's not. my father has also told me many graduates from ANY top school including the before mentioned make good starting salaries (provided they were good students). </p>
<p>and regarding your last comment on how columbia's campus is beautiful. if you read my previous post, i stated that columbia's location isnt as bad as everyone makes it out to be. </p>
<p>i think i've made it clear that i'm not favoring either side (nyu or columbia) even though ill be attending nyu. I even told the OP to go to columbia.</p>
<p>"99.9% of the kids at Stern did not get into the Ivys"</p>
<p>This is so not correct considering Stern has average SAT exceeding a few ivies. As for NYU as a whole, NYU's 75th percentile SAT is 1450, meaning that portion of the NYU's students has a higher SAT score than the non-HYP ivies. NYU is also larger than the ivies. NYU's freshmen class is 4000..so thats a good 1000 students at least that are Ivy material. And then you have lower ivys like Cornell....</p>
<p>"you can transfer "down" but not "up""</p>
<p>I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about, but the only inter-school transfer that's guaranteed at NYU is if one is in GSP, he gets to transfer to the NYU school he originally applied to after 2 years. NO OTHER TRANSFER WITHIN SCHOOLS AT NYU IS A GIVEN...NONE. </p>
<p>Regarding prestige, Columbia overall is more prestigious than NYU even though the gap is narrowing, there is no issue here. However, the OP wants to major in economics, and in this department the 2 schools are pretty equal in terms of academic ranking/prestige and job opps. to graduates. Harvard is more prestigious than U of C, but for an econ. major it's a tough call between those 2. Yale is far more prestigious than Northwestern, but which MBA progam should one choose..honestly (Yale's is mediocre, while NW Kellogg is top 5)</p>
<p>"Most people who go to Stern did not get into the Ivys"</p>
<p>That's absurd. There are plenty of people going to stern and other nyu schools with 1500+ SATs and ranked in the top 5% of their class, and all these people could easily get into at least one ivy.</p>
<p>like Cornell.</p>
<p>"And you have never been to Morningside Heights, where Columbia is located. Columbia has a BEAUTIFUL campus."</p>
<p>And you obviously can't read very well or pay any attention to detail. Re-read what I first said about this in post #37. For your sake, I'll cut and paste it in its true form.</p>
<p>Here you go:
"I was really considering appying to Columbia as well, but the Harlem area is kind of a turn-off, and core curric. seems too rigid--for me at least. Columbia has a beautiful campus but 5 blocks north of it is what appears to be a ghetto."</p>
<p>Just so you know, I've visited Columbia, more than once, I even have friends there from my high school, so I'm pretty familiar with it. The surrounding area by Morningside is very sketchy and the campus is tiny, most of the Columbia social scene is outside the campus-it consists bars and nightclubs, exactly like NYU. So I'm not surprised many of my Columbia friends like to hang out near NYU. I don't know anyone that would call that area a gem, especially a couple blocks north.</p>
<p>Columbia in Harlem? Are you guys crazy? My sister lives on the Upper West Side of NYC i.e where Columbia is. Yes, you only have to go a few streets up to get to Harlem but you guys are being so stereotypical. Harlem is NOT a scary place unless you're white, preppy and have never been around people other than yourself. Morningside Heights is beautiful, peaceful (for NYC) and great for studying and chilling out. And by the way, if you're looking for "HOT" girls, maybe you're the kind of person that's desperate/stuck up/only into money, and in that case there are a lot of guys at Columbia like yourself who talk to girls about their connections and internships. You sound pretty closed-minded so I don't think it matters where you end up. Go to school to LEARN about yourself and your future. Seriously, I'm sure you'll grow up once you get to college and realize life isn't about prestige, money and hot girls. Look at what's happening to Harvard business grads: businesses aren't accepting them as much as those from smaller liberal arts colleges because that's where you can really get challenged. But good luck in wherever you end up.</p>
<p>is JHU in a bad neighborhood?</p>
<p>I'm afraid I don't know anything about JHU. I hope someone can help you.</p>
<p>my cousin goes to jhu and he told me it's a very bad neighborhood. Also, i visited him once down in baltimore and it turns out someone was shot that very same day i visited.</p>
<p>Yep, JHU is in a horrible area. I don't really like Baltimore and vicinity all that much. </p>
<p>Blueangel41, nobody here is being close minded, but some areas are better than others, that's a fact. I'm from Conn., and I bet I've probably been in the Columbia area more than you have. Some parts are pretty unsafe at night. The upper west side ranges, and gets worse the more north you go, I think your sister who lives there will probably even agree with this. Columbia is on the border of decent and ghetto, not a good area in my opinion.</p>
<p>How hard is it to transfer after freshman year to Columbia from NYU?</p>
<p>Sorry if this is the slightest bit off-topic, but it seems for the most part appropriate.</p>
<p>It would depend on your gpa in college and how much room they have.</p>
<p>Just as hard as it is coming out of high school, or anywhere, for that matter...well, maybe not as easy as from South Dakota.</p>
<p>ABirch III: That closed-minded comment was to the guy who wanted to know about "hot" girls at the schools. In my opinion, that is a closed-minded way of looking at your future education, whether you're a meal or female. </p>
<p>I'm not going to compete about who's been to Columbia more, what's the point. I did say it was very near Harlem and I know about the dangers about NYC, just as I know about the dangers of London (higher murder rate than NYC now). My point was that the people from NYU were saying how awful Columbia is, and I think that's a biased thing to say, and not how you should judge where you're going to school. If I was going to Columbia (which I'm not), I'd be happy to go there and I know I'd feel safe. It doesn't matter where I am in NYC, I stick to areas I know well, like and that are as safe as possible; I wouldn't plan on going into the "ghetto" and if you go to Columbia, you can easily not do that.</p>