<p>Did anyone else notice that the ranking went down 7 spots? Now NYU is at 37?!</p>
<p>sorry it was 5 from 32 to 37</p>
<p>Yes but remember what period of time these rankings are from.</p>
<p>NYU's rankings are hurt by a combination of factors including hiring adjunct over full-time professors to save money (as US News measures only full time professors), low alumni giving rate, low 4 year graduation rate (70%), small endowment (compared to institutions of equal size), and admission rates at schools like GSP and SCPS.</p>
<p>Well I guess if the adjuncts are hurting them so be it. Many folks who come to teach at NYU are amazingly connected in their field and have lots to offer because they are not purely academic.</p>
<p>I never said it was fair, my stats professor was an adjunct and he was awesome.</p>
<p>What I think is funny is how much of a jump NYU had in apps this past cycle and how many kids they yielded......the safety days of NYU are over. It doesn't matter about USNWR....this school is hot in popularity.</p>
<p>I would also imagine that NYU's reputation as being notoriously stingy with financial aid would hurt them ranking-wise.</p>
<p>I think that demand and large numbers of applicants willing to pay development fees to attend could go a long way to correct that problem. I'd say look for some action in the money available.</p>
<p>"admission rates at schools like GSP and SCPS."</p>
<p>the gsp admissions stats are not included. that's how nyu is able to admit kids with lower credentials but not include those stats in the overall admissions statistics.</p>
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<p>That's incorrect. Looking at the NYU Fact Sheet for 03-04 (don't have new US news yet so going by '05 rankings, which use 03-04 data), NYU's total acceptance rate for all undergraduate programs (the seven ug schools plus dentistry, mghee, study abroad, and gsp) is 32.1%, the same as reported by US News. When switching to "traditional baccalaureate" - the seven ug schools - the acceptance rate drops to 26.3%.</p>
<p>A ranking methodology that puts universities such as Lehigh and Wake Forest ahead of NYU is deeply flawed, bordering on a joke. Those interested in this topic should visit the Academic Ranking of World Universities 2005, <a href="http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005TOP500list.htm%5B/url%5D">http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005TOP500list.htm</a>, then click on Top 100. NYU is ranked 22nd in the US, and 29th in the world. This is a much more realistic ranking, based primarily on the academic and reasearch strengths of the universities and their reputation.</p>
<p>Notice that in this ranking, widely considered to be the most authoritative available, many universities which are ahead of NYU in the USNWR are now behind (sometimes far behind). This includes Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt, USC, Carnegie Mellon, .............. This list is VERY different from that put out by USNWR, and far more credible.</p>
<p>atnyu, although the World Rankings give NYU a much higher ranking, I disagree with it being "better." I would have to say that for a potential college student, USNews, for all of its flaws, is still a better guide to decide which school is a good fit for them. the World Rankings guide is a reputation meter. Its criteria are alumni w/ Nobel Prizes, faculty w/ Nobel Prizes, number of papers published by faculty, highly "respected" professors based on number of citations in other works, and looks at it relative to size. This doesn't tell a student what kind of SATs these schools look for, how big classes are, what kind of financial aid they have, and a lot of other, more relevant stuff. How many students are going to apply to a school based on one professor who wrote a bunch of white papers?</p>
<p>No ranking is perfect, unique, or equally relevant to all people. But, in the case of Academic Ranking of World Universities 2005 it is very clear WHAT it DOES measure - the academic and research excellence and reputation of a university. Rest assured that it takes a lot more than "one professor who wrote a bunch of white papers", as you put it, to achieve a high ranking. </p>
<p>On the other hand, I do not think that anyone can say WHAT EXACTLY the USNWR ranking measures.</p>
<p>ya and as for the Academic Ranking of World Universities 2005, I really dont think 4 UCs can be in the top 20, with 3 of them above Penn. The ranking also gives too much credit to UToronto and UBC. UT is definitely not better Northwestern, Duke, NY and Vanderbilt. I know cauz I know the standard of the students that goes into UT.</p>