So there are tons of stuff out there but I can’t get a clear comparison between NYU’s Shanghai vs NYC. I’ve gotten accepted into both for Finance. Could anyone who has studied abroad or is currently going to either campus provide a solid comparison as to 1) student life 2) reputation 3) job prospects 4) any other worthwhile factor into considering which school to go to.
NYU:NY Stern Finance is way better than NYU:SH Finance, in terms of quality of education, reputation and job prospects. It should be noted that Stern only exists on the NY campus. Any other business program on another campus for NYU is not Stern, and business students there will not receive the same networking/degree recognition advantages as Stern students. I’d say NYUNY has a better student lifestyle, but that’s very subjective. NYUSH isn’t a bad school but it’s become known as the “bad” NYU campus. NYUNY over NYUSH any day in my opinion, especially for business.
@adreamer22 You must understand that Stern worked together with NYUSH to build it. A lot of the professors who teach at Stern now teach at NYUSH and their professors are graduates from many reputable universities from all over the world. Also, during your 3rd year at NYUSH, you can study abroad at the NY campus and take Stern classes. So I believe it is unfair to say that NYUSH is the “bad campus” when it’s still extremely new and is yet to graduate its first class of students.
@theniqqa23 I didn’t say it was bad; I just said it has become known to be the “bad” campus because it is relatively easier to get accepted into. As for professors/curriculum, I didn’t say it had a bad business program – it just simply does not compare with Stern in terms of degree recognition, networking benefits and curriculum quality. Many people go into business through Gallatin and NYUSH. It’s not a mistake; NYU is a great place to study anything. But they’re just at a significant disadvantaged over the Stern kids. When it comes to business at NYU, you really can’t go wrong anywhere. However, there’s really no contest between Stern and NYUSH, at least for now, since as you said, it’s still a new campus. I’m sorry if I unintentionally offended you. It’s still a great achievement to have gotten into NYUSH. I’m very happy for you, and maybe we’ll see each other when you study abroad junior year!
Well the acceptance rate at Shanghai is 6-8 % ish so it’s just a little under Stern and the overall quality of applicants is up to par with Stern. I don’t know why you think it’s relatively easier and I’m in no way offended I’m just curious as to why you believe that.
And Since you can study and take Stern classes during your 3rd year at SH, you’re not really at a disadvantage. Having a global experience in business is a plus in my opinion and the NYUSH students have access to over 39,000 internship opportunities.
But, everyone has their own preferences. A degree at any of the 3 campuses in NYU will eventually help you become successful regardless. @adreamer22
@theniqqa23 NYUSH’s acceptance rate is artificially lowered. If someone puts NYUSH as a second choice but was accepted to their first, they count it as a rejection to NYUSH, despite not even being reviewed for acceptance there. The reason why Stern is so popular is because of its networking opportunities, which simply doesn’t exist at NYUSH.
That works both ways… If someone puts Shanghai first, but Stern 2nd and gets rejected from Stern it counts as well. And when you apply to both campuses, if you don’t get into the 2nd one, it is supposed to be counted in the acceptance rate because each campus reviews applicants independently from each other. That is why there are many people who got into two of NYU’s campuses, while there are many who also only got into one because they simply were not qualified for the other… NYU clearly mentions this. Each campus does not discuss the admissions results with each other because each has their own separate admissions procedures and criteria.
And you’re right Stern has more networking opportunities, true, but SH has more access to internships and a greater variety of options due to it being such a large city as well as having a Free Trade Zone. As a result, companies from all over the world including JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Google, Morgan Stanley, and even HSBC are all accessible there. Even Harvard Business School has internships and research going on within Shanghai that are accessible to NYUSH students.
Basically, what I’m trying to say is you can make those networking opportunities come to life regardless of whether you go to Stern of Shanghai; at NYUSH you’ll just have to work a bit harder to obtain them. The opportunities are endless though.
Hey @DaCuriousOne this is just my two cents. I was accepted NYUSH and plan on committing. I’m not being biased, but my job is to convince you to go NYUSH lol.
1.) Student Life - Obviously, because NYU Shanghai has around 900+ students in total, you will not be going to a HUGE school. Unlike the NYC campus with thousands of students, you are looking at a more close-knit group with similar mindsets. Granted you won’t meet thousands of people, you will probably leave Shanghai with friends that you can refer to as your second family. Location, Location, Location! You are in the heart of Shanghai, and as much as I love NYC, Shanghai is a whole different ball game. The culture, the city, and the opportunities are incredible in a booming city like Shanghai. The nightlife is also amazing! You can turn up every weekend if you wanted too, Shanghai excels in tourism and you are surrounded by so many East Asian countries that you can visit. As far as school clubs and events goes, NYUSH has it’s fair share of those too! Not as extensive as what the NYC campus offers, but if you had an interview, they would’ve already told you the same thing. This is YOUR opportunity to start a club if there isn’t one that you like, this is YOUR time to experience new things, and YOUR chance to create what you want in an environment where the resources and tools are there for you to use.
2.) Reputation- There is this whole rumor that NYUSH is the “bad” NYU campus, and frankly it pisses me off. NYUSH is part of NYU’s Global Network just like every other school, so calling it the “bad” school is kinda ironic and you are practically calling all of NYU bad. No, it is not the “bad” school. I think it’s the most unique NYU school if anything. Reputation wise, you will be graduating from NYUSH with 2 degrees, an American NYU degree and a Chinese degree, SO, if you ever wanted to stay in China or work in an another Asian country, your degree will be held under the same weight as someone who went to an Asian University. So you will still get a regular NYU degree which is great, but another one too! If you look at acceptance rates, very few people get into NYUSH every year, around 4-6% and each candidate is competitive, but they determine acceptance based on credentials and more on fit.
3.) Job Prospects- Oddly enough, we don’t have much data on this as NYUSH has yet to graduate its first class! What do you think the job prospects are? Just think, you graduated with an NYU and an Asian degree, by the time you leave you are proficient in Chinese, has traveled globally, and most likely interned at a high ranking corporation in China through NYU. So I’m sure job prospects will be GREAT! Candidates with credentials like that are sure to be competitive in whichever career path they follow.
4.) Unique- SO the first 2 years are very liberal arts-heavy so you can explore your interests. You can start taking major classes as soon as you want to, but most students don’t necessarily declare until the 2nd semester of their sophomore year. Again, you get to learn Chinese! The #1 Business language, in its native country! As a junior, it is also mandatory to study abroad so there are NO NYUSH juniors in Shanghai, all of them are in different parts of NYU’s Global Network. You can still take Stern classes in NYC, or go to Florence, or Buenos Aires, who knows! The FA and Scholarship awards are typically higher in NYUSH as well, since their financial aid departments are separate.
*It all depends on the person and what you want to do with your life. Traveling abroad is NOT for everyone, but if you are looking for a new and life changing experience, then choose Shanghai. Otherwise, you have another fantastic offer at NYC. Let me know what you choose! Good luck and congratulations on such an accomplishment.
Also want to share my two cents. I’m a current student at NYUSH, and have seen the NYUSH is the “bad” school one to many times. Yes, I think some of the scores here may be lower than those of the main campus; however, the students are picked out mostly due to their background and adversity, not due to the fact they are above our standard 2000+ SAT score average. There’s no school in the world where you can be in a 10 person class and have 10 different countries represented. The diversity at this campus excels that of any out there period. My SAT was an 1840, my GPA was a 4.2W. I got rejected to NYU, accepted to NYUSH, why? Most likely because I’ve lived in 4 different countries and fit the image like nearly every other student here. On my 20 person floor alone, there are 13 different countries. The amount of knowledge of the world, along with different lifestyles you learn about is immeasurable Secondly, you’re in asia. Not only can you travel to some of the most beautiful places in the world, but you’re apart of the next big boom. Shanghai, is similar to NYC in that its a city that never sleeps. At any hour, something is going on; however, unlike NYC, Shanghai has so many untapped resources and opportunities. Internships are handed out, literally no competition unlike NYC. Jobs are uncompetitive because there is no competition here. I’ve been here 8 months and already have a position working for the largest festival company in Asia. Most of my friends already as freshman have internships with Google, SAP, GoPro, Nike, Bosch, and so many more. Tell me where else in the world this availability of jobs/internships can be seen? So yeah, go ahead and go to the “good” NYU school, pay 70k+ as opposed to 50k a year or less depending on your scholarship/financial aid package, and enjoy all the competition. At the end of the day, I’m still being taught by the same NYU Professor that NYU students are paying for, and receiving the same education. If you had the option to hire an NYU or NYUSH student, which one would you pick? The student who took the regular route, went to school, and has maybe 1 internship on their resume, or the student who took a risk, was apart of the 1st school in the history of the world to do what its doing, has had internships with Nike, Bosch, etc… , and speaks chinese. I think the choice pretty clear, although lets just hope the employer doesn’t find out NYUSH is the “bad” school. Feel free to message me at cda324@nyu.edu with any questions and if you’re still skeptical about China or NYUSH check out my blog www.chilleninchina.■■■■■■■■■■■■■.
I posted this a few months ago on another thread but I feel that these NYU SH kids have been completely fooled or are deluding themselves. I am coming from the perspective of one of the “prestige industries” Banking, Consulting, PE, so it will be very different from most industries where the requirements are less stringent.
So I have to make a statement to give all you young kids a heads up especially since I had to have this talk with my cousin in September. I made an account specifically for this reason since my cousin told me this site existed. A quick description of myself before people get defensive, I am not Chinese or East Asian but have been speaking Chinese since I was 10 years old and have reached native level. I did my undergraduate and MBA in America and a masters taught in Chinese in China. I currently work at an elite global business services firm in their Shanghai office. NYUSH has reached out to us before about joining their internship fairs since we are a huge recruiter of Stern students back in NYC but we have always declined. I want to give you some insights that I gave my little cousin when I encouraged him to focus on NYU Stern or NYU NY campus instead of NYUSH. (These are also some of the reason my firm gave to NYUSH. I volunteer in the recruiting efforts in China so am a bit more familiar with the issues than most people.)
First Reason: You will not become fluent in Chinese in an English university even if its based in Shanghai and that is a huge deal breaker in China. IF you are not a local Chinese you will then be competing against students from Fudan University, Shanghai Jiaotong University, Tongji University, etc who are the elite of China in Shanghai. Many of these kids, especially from Fudan speak exceptional English. NYU isn’t the only western school in China, there is one run by the UK university Nottingham in Ningbo and we have had foreigners from there apply for to our SH office for positions. We have never given them an offer. For college students in China we give part time internships during the year that we call “PTAs”. The roles they do need complete mastery of Chinese which NYU SH does not provide. Surprisingly the foreign students we do give summer internships to that are foreigner come from western universities but have spent a lot of time at intensive Chinese programs or enrolled directly in Chinese universities. I am usually one of the first interviewers. If the student is in Shanghai I will invite him to my office and give him a Chinese test. They will have 30 minutes to write (not type) an analysis of some issue in the newspaper and then give myself and my colleagues an oral argument that supports their analysis in Chinese. They submit their paper to me and it shows me if they have the writing, speak, and listening capabilities to survive in our office which is nearly 95% conducted in Chinese. Even then we have never given a full time offer to them during my time here. We have had 2 interns that weren’t Chinese at our Greater China Offices and were given full time offers to offices in London and Boston if I remember correctly.
Second Reason: As much as NYU will try to deny it, from us the employer perspective, NYUSH is a lesser brand than the traditional NYU. We don’t care that there are courses taught by Stern professors. When we think of NYU we think of New York University, not New York Abu Dhabi or New York Shanghai. I don’t know about non-profits or startups, but for business services like consulting, finance, or even if you want to go to capital hill, it will be an impediment. It sucks, it’s not fair, but its true. It’s too much of an opportunity cost for an employer to select NYUSH student studying business versus a NYU Stern student or a Wharton student. If you go back to America you will already have issues competing with students already in the states as well as lose valuable on campus recruiting efforts. Our firm’s graduate recruits mainly come from our target schools that we have on campus recruiting events for.
When my cousin told me he was going to do ED for NYU SH I called up his parents and told them I thought it was a very bad idea. While I laud all of you for having a much more global perspective than 99% of Americans, I truly think you guys are jumping the shark. If you love China, want to work in China, or really speak Chinese, there are many good alternatives. I have met some Americans that 100% believe China is the future so they are transferring from American universities to China’s elite universities like Tsinghua or Fudan to graduate from the Harvards or Yales of China and master Chinese. Others that are less extreme study abroad, double major in Chinese and spend their summers and abroad years fully immersed in a Chinese speaking environment.
In many ways I feel NYU SH does a disservice to you. You do not get the full value of NYU or its resources being away from New York. You do not gait the same weight in degree. This issue isn’t unique to NYU SH, Yale NUS in Singapore also has this issue even though it’s slight less serious since it has the word Yale stamped on it. Maybe 10-15 years from now branch campuses will be viewed differently but I personally doubt it.
Don’t get me wrong Shanghai is an amazing city. I have been here for 4 years now, met my fiancee here, and love Shanghai much more than New York when I lived there as a student at Columbia. I definitely encourage those who want a global lifestyle to work and live in Shanghai at one point in their lives. But NYUSH in my opinion puts its student at a serious disadvantage. Again this is just one person’s opinion and I’m sure many of you especially the new admits don’t want to hear this kind of stuff. I’m not saying that going to NYU SH sets its students on a path with no future, but what I am saying is that it’s a solution looking for a problem to solve.