NYU Stern to UTexas Business Honors

Transfer Students
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<p>I'm seriously considering transferring to UT BHP from NYU Stern after changes in interest and financial difficulties.
I'm originally from Austin, and this past Spring I was accepted to NYU Stern and UT BHP but subsequently accepted NYU Stern's offer due to name recognition and opportunities in the financial sector.</p>

<p>I'm currently in my first semester as a freshman in the Stern school. Although I don't have a GPA currently, I have no doubt that I will earn A+'s in Calculus and Statistics and A's, if not A+'s, in my Microecon and philosophy classes.
I'm in the Accounting Society and in the Korean Student Association.
I do not, however, hold any leadership positions.</p>

<p>According to the UT advisor, the adcoms do not consider anything prior to college, and do not consider my previous admission to the BHP program.</p>

<p>I don't know if they consider SAT and AP scores, but here goes:
SAT: 2240 (700 R, 740 M, 800 W w/ 12 E)
AP: Calc BC 4, Calc AB 4, Stat 4, Bio 4, Eng Lit 4, Eng Lang 4, USH 3, Chem 3, Macroecon 3</p>

<p>What are my chances?</p>

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<p>Disclaimers notwithstanding, your high school record will help you in your application insofar as your college transcript is so short. Why would you transfer to UT from NYU Stern? If you are keen in pursuing business, it is, at best, tactically unwise and at worst foolish to downgrade so drastically without compelling reasons, personal or otherwise.</p>

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<p>I wouldn't nearly call it a drastic downgrade because UT has an outstanding business program that is highly regarded. The only downside I really see is for your career prospects going from NYC to Austin since New York is such a hub for your interests. I personally wouldn't be worried career wise going to UT though. I'm certainly no expert on admissions but it would seem to me that your chances are great.</p>

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<p>Stern is superior to UT in almost all aspects from prestige, job placement, location, student quality, etc</p>

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<p>Precisely my point. UT is academically mediocre at best and is not in the position to further your business career as NYU-Stern is.</p>

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UT is academically mediocre at best

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<p>WOW!!!</p>

<p>Why don't you be a man and post that on the UT boards. Let's see how that works out.</p>

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Stern is superior to UT in almost all aspects from prestige, job placement, location, student quality, etc

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<p>Prestige: Yes and no. In most places, yes, Stern is viewed as more prestigious, but in Texas and its surronding states, UT BHP carries more of a WOW factor. People from outside the Texas area always underestimate how popular UT is in Texas and its surronding states.</p>

<p>On a side note, the OP is in the Accounting Society and UT is known to be stronger than NYU for accounting. In fact, I think US News ranks UT #1 in Accounting for both Grad and Undergrad. Just sayin.</p>

<p>Job Placement: Just like prestige, it's kind of a regional thing. If the OP is set on Wall Street or Boston or whatever city in the North, obviously Stern is the better option, but if the OP wants a job closer to home, like in the D/FW metroplex, Houston, Austin or San Antonio, then UT is obviously the better choice. Are you trying to say that there aren't a lot of quality jobs in Texas?</p>

<p>Location: Incredibly subjective. I love Texas. </p>

<p>Not a big fan of NYC. Too much "diversity" if you know what I mean. Scary. - Daniel Tosh</p>

<p>Student Quality: Hard to really quantify this. Stern students had a higher SAT scores and are, more than likely, from a wealthier background than UT students, but UT students probably had better class ranks (Top 2-3%), but then again, this is offset by the fact that more of the Stern kids (probably) went to more competitive schools.</p>

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<p>According to the BHP Advisor, only your freshman year is considered in terms of admissions process, including course rigor, GPA, extracurricular activities, and leadership.</p>

<p>As I said, due to financial complications and challenges presented in debt if I were to continue my studies at NYU Stern, I am wanting to transfer. When I was offered a spot this past Spring for UT BHP, I basically had zero costs and I was offered additional spending money on the side.
At Stern however, I would end up with 80K+ debt for the four years.</p>

<p>Just as an FYI, this is for the UT Business Honors Program, which consists of about 120 students per class. The sophomore transfer admissions statistics is 24-36% I believe, with an average GPA of 3.9.</p>

<p>If I were admitted into UT, I would enroll in their Accounting Program (Integrated MPA or PPA), which would allow me to complete my masters in five years. Oh and I came to Stern to do finance or marketing (I'm also in the Finance Society).</p>

<p>Honestly, I am a little worried because I don't want to rely on the Stern name to get me admitted.</p>

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<p>I can't comment on the rest of UT, but its business program is far from mediocre. McCombs ranks just behind Stern according to US News (6) and BusinessWeek (10). I'm not saying those rankings are the be all end all but its worth noting. </p>

<p>aewon, best of luck with UT.</p>

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<p>Sorry crs1909, didn't mean to get your panties in a twist. I would post my thoughts on the UT boards, but the fear of written retribution has me shaking in my ivy-covered boots. </p>

<p>In any event, perhaps mediocre is too strong a word. The point is, NYU is more prestigious and has stronger name recognition. Beyond that, it's up to you to weigh the pros, cons, and personal issues.</p>

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<p>I understand.</p>

<p>I spoke to a few recruiters from the top Wall St. firms, and they all said that the UT Business Honors Program alumni still get the same opportunities as NYU Stern's. They still have the door open to work on Wall Street if that is their wish.</p>

<p>It is true, however, that Stern's name is stronger and more recognized. However, I am not willing to risk 80-100K in debt for that "name factor." Education is what you make of it, and in two schools where business is highly ranked, with a huge difference in cost, I am willing to drop the "name factor" for a price.</p>

<p>Some will argue that NYU is in fact more prestigious. But honestly, the BHP admits about 120 students (about 30-40 transfers), while NYU admits 500 students. So make of it what you will, and keep in mind that in rankings, they are considering the entire McCombs school.</p>

<p>I am asking about my chances... not for comparisons.
Thank you for your help.</p>

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<p>and now with wall street down, BHP is probably a stronger program as NYU was recruited a lot based on its location</p>

<p>I agree with whoever you spoke to. NYU, BHP.. not much different in opportunities</p>

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Prestige: Yes and no. In most places, yes, Stern is viewed as more prestigious, but in Texas and its surronding states, UT BHP carries more of a WOW factor. People from outside the Texas area always underestimate how popular UT is in Texas and its surronding states.</p>

<p>On a side note, the OP is in the Accounting Society and UT is known to be stronger than NYU for accounting. In fact, I think US News ranks UT #1 in Accounting for both Grad and Undergrad. Just sayin.</p>

<p>Job Placement: Just like prestige, it's kind of a regional thing. If the OP is set on Wall Street or Boston or whatever city in the North, obviously Stern is the better option, but if the OP wants a job closer to home, like in the D/FW metroplex, Houston, Austin or San Antonio, then UT is obviously the better choice. Are you trying to say that there aren't a lot of quality jobs in Texas?</p>

<p>Location: Incredibly subjective. I love Texas.</p>

<p>Not a big fan of NYC. Too much "diversity" if you know what I mean. Scary. - Daniel Tosh</p>

<p>Student Quality: Hard to really quantify this. Stern students had a higher SAT scores and are, more than likely, from a wealthier background than UT students, but UT students probably had better class ranks (Top 2-3%), but then again, this is offset by the fact that more of the Stern kids (probably) went to more competitive schools.

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<p>Who the hell would want to leave NYU stern and go to UT Austin?</p>

<p>UT and Austin are both horrible; especially in comparision to Stern and NYC.</p>

<p>OP; do yourself a favor and stay at NYU.</p>

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<p>Precisely my thoughts. UT Austin carries little (if any) prestige compared to NYU Stern.</p>

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<p>This thread has become nothing more than a flame thread. If the only purpose of your post is to bash UT than you should either not post or man up and also post your comments on the UT boards. </p>

<p>wayward_trojan: You're pretentious and a wuss.</p>

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UT is academically mediocre at best and is not in the position to further your business career as NYU-Stern is.

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<p>This statement is hilarious. NYU has some very strong programs that are higher than UT in some areas, but as an overall institution, UT-Austin has a MUCH stronger academic reputation than NYU. Geez... just look at the NRC rankings or grad program rankings across various disciplines. NYU was an academic BACKWATER until as recently as the last 20 years. And even though NYU was founded like over 50 years before UT, it wasn't part of the AAU until over 20 years after. UT not prestigious compared to NYU? That's rich!</p>

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<p>Using some more recent data than the NRC rankings:</p>

<p>(From a composite of USNWR rankings)</p>

<p>Overall Professional School Ranking (UT looks pretty close to NYU to me)
1 Stanford
2 Berkeley
3 Harvard
4 Michigan
5 Northwestern
6 Columbia
7 Texas
8 Duke
9 NYU
10 Wisconsin
10 UCLA
12 Illinois
13 Virginia
14 USC
15 Indiana</p>

<p>PhD Program ranking (NYU can't really compare to UT in this regard)
1 Berkeley
2 Stanford
3 MIT
4 Harvard
5 Princeton
6 Yale
7 Michigan
8 Columbia
9 Wisconsin
9 Cornell
11 UCLA
12 Chicago
13 Texas
14 Illinois
15 UCSD</p>

<p><a href="http://www.grad.berkeley.edu/publications/pdf/usnews_rankings_2006.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.grad.berkeley.edu/publications/pdf/usnews_rankings_2006.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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UT and Austin are both horrible; especially in comparision to Stern and NYC.

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The funny thing is there are quite a few New Yorkers who will probably be coming to Texas looking for jobs now since it's one of the few strong spots in the country. There's a reason F500 companies keep relocating to Texas.</p>

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<p>Well, USNWR ranks UT Austin as #47 and NYU as #33 overall. 20 yrs ago NYU wasn't great, but we're not living in the 80's anymore. </p>

<p>As for prestige, it depends where you're from. I grew up in the northeast, never even heard of UT Austin, if I ever heard someone mention it, I would have probably thought it was an avg state school. But in the Southwest, UT Austin is probably very prestigious and regarded highly. It's probably MORE prestigious in the southwest than NYU in the northeast, simply because the Northeast has a lot of Ivy's/top LACs compared to the South. </p>

<p>The OP doesn't want advice about whether or not to transfer, he/she wants to know his/her chances, so stop debating his choice and give the kid his chances. His stats sound good to me, but I know very little about this.</p>

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Well, USNWR ranks UT Austin as #47 and NYU as #33 overall. 20 yrs ago NYU wasn't great, but we're not living in the 80's anymore.

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<p>The USNWR overall ranking is NOT an academic ranking, as we all know. It combines factors like alumni giving, class size, selectivity, etc., which are factors that hurt large publics. UT is required by law to admit at least 90% of undergrads from in-state, so it will never be as selective as even mediocre privates, even if it has a stellar faculty and grad school reputation. UT actually does quite well in what can be argued is the one academic factor of the USNWR undergrad rankings - the Peer Assessment Score. UT has been between 4.0-4.1 in terms of undergrad peer assessment. NYU I believe was around 3.8. So from the perspective of academics, UT certainly isn't seen as inferior.</p>

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<p>By no means am I saying it's inferior, the point I was trying to make overall is that in the end, rankings don't matter. It's the OP's decision where he/she chooses to go, and if the OP wants to transfer from Stern to U.Nebraska then just chance him/her and don't squabble over petty things like prestige. In the end, it's your intelligence/diligence/interpersonal skills that will get you far, not how fancy your diploma is.</p>