<p>Hi Guys (I posted this in 1 other thread so chill out ppl)</p>
<p>Since I was very little, I had been inundated with propaganda about columbia (both my parents work there). I'm really interested in majoring in business/econ. Now would you guys reccommend going to NYU Stern or Columbia for business/econ (Columbia doesnt have a business program so I would go to Columbia for econ). Does the big "ivy" name trump Stern?</p>
<p>Also, i know Columbia College has a 10.4% admission rate, does anyone know the stats for Stern? </p>
<p>My stats (briefly) are as follows:</p>
<p>GPA: 3.92~ (Magnet school- Top 100 by Worth Magazine)
PSATS: 232
SATs: 2300+ (predicted)
Took AP Calc BC as a sophmore (got a 5, but a B+ in the class which dropped my GPA)</p>
<p>EC's
Federal Reserve Team (National Finalist)
Model UN (Awards at HYP, MIT, BC, George washington)
AIME/AMC12 Qualifier/Top-scorer
A couplee of Science awards (Science Olympiad, Science fairs)
Lots of clubs/groups yadadada... (leadership position)</p>
<p>Work:
2 years 'research' at Columbia
Starbucks- 2 years
Volunteer at NY Presby hospital</p>
<p>Should get 1 AMAZING recc, and 1 mediocre one</p>
<p>I know that for Columbia, my stats are considered about average for the most part... anyone know what it's like for Stern? And I got a letter from Stern, is this pure propaganda or otherwise? thx in advance.</p>
<p>Err ^ no. The ivy league name is great and all, but when you graduate NYU Stern.. you're really recognized in the business world. Stern is the hardest college to get into for NYU, most of the applicants are near if not ivy league stats.</p>
<p>I've studied both colleges (postgraduate salary/jobs/location starting + postgraduate 5 years down the road) and they are both about the same. Go to any you like though Stern is more FOCUSED on business so perhaps if you truly want to work in the field I'd go there instead.</p>
<p>Why would you go to business school if you're ambitious? You'd have already made it by then lol. Anyway, I'd pick NYU Stern if you're 100% certain you want Wall Street. Sure Columbia is an Ivy League name but at the Stern level it doesn't matter. So go for the education that will better prepare you for the technical side of business: Stern. An employer would rather hire someone who knows how to do the work than train them for weeks (Columbia).</p>
<p>An undergraduate business degree is a needless limitation of your future. It is a vocational degree. A really educated person does an undergrad liberal arts degree and then grad schol for vocational degree.</p>
<p>And most Wall Street firms do. The top one I interned at last summer certainly "highly encouraged" a top MBA if you wanted to stop being a grunt associate.</p>
<p>corporations really love it when u got technical skill(engineering degree) and an mba. that is why ppl with this combination earn a lot of money. 100K yearly. something like that. if u just had an undergrad biz degree from columbia or nyu, then all u could do is be a salesman and hinder ur salary potential. ud only earn like 40-50K yearly.</p>
<p>That is not a good recommendation at all. If your passion is business, engineering for 4 years is VASTLY different and you should not screw with 4 years of your life like that. </p>
<p>I would pick Stern since you seem pretty set on business. </p>
<p>"An undergraduate business degree is a needless limitation of your future. It is a vocational degree. A really educated person does an undergrad liberal arts degree and then grad schol for vocational degree."</p>
<p>OUCH! You are basically implying that undergraduate business majors are uneducated. I bet Wharton students would disagree with that and many of them are probably qualified for HYP. </p>
<p>Economics is basically philosophy with math (econ and business double myself). It is definitely conceptual vs applied (business) but neither is useless or more "educated" than the other. </p>
<p>Going to MBA once having an undergrad business degree may be a bit redundant but the experience isn't. An undergrad business degree lands you interns and that important first job and do you know what is more important than ANYTHING when applying to MBA's?</p>
<p>THAT'S RIGHT IT'S EXPERIENCE!! </p>
<p>Experience > GMAT > GPA > Caliber of School for MBA admissions.</p>
<p>Stern will get you that experience and an undergrad business major will probably have an easier time at an MBA school anyways.</p>
<p>You seem to be very qualified for Stern in my humble opinion. My #2 S is a freshman at Stern and loves it. Their coursework includes liberal arts classes as well as business classes untll their Junior year (earlier if you have lots of AP credit) which is then all business. My #1 S went to UChicago and loved it and got a job at a hedge fund making over six figures when you include the bonus. He majored in math and statistics with lots of econ classes. There is peer pressure at his work to do the CFA exams. He did the first in Dec. and passed. He'll have another I believe in June. These are internationally recognized which is great. </p>
<p>My #2 S had been accepted to UChicago also and was pretty much planning to go there but when we did the breakfast for admitted Stern scholars last Spring and talked to students and the Dean, I think he saw the opportunities for internships and jobs which helped clinch his decision. Also he made it on the mens varsity volleyball team which is a great social outlet and is healthy too! The Dean told us at that breakfast that the Stern students had the highest SAT scores of any of the NYU schools.
I think you can get good jobs via either route. I have to say that UChicago's career office really kicked in for #1 S. He had 4 job offers in Dec. 2004 for a June 2005 start! They helped him with his resume, practiced interviewing, did info sessions with many companies that came to visit and then he did follow-up interviews at the job sites. It was a very positive experience and I think he was really glad he went to UChicago. Of course we insisted that he take advantage of those things if we were going to pay so much money. The services of that office were included in the tuition so it would be a shame if he hadn't used those resources.</p>
<p>Have you checked out the Career Office at Columbia? Do they show data on where they place their grads, etc.? What kind of help do they give their students?</p>
<p>Swami is sflat out wrong. I was an anthro major at an Ivy and I not only got a top tier consulting job after graduation I also got into a top 5 MBA. Even econ is not a pre-req, let alone engineering!! Most of my friends at consulting firms and banks were not engineers. Also CC is more prestigious than SEAS.</p>
<p>Yea swami after reading that second post above mine, I realize how insane you are. Seriously are you joking? </p>
<p>You have NO idea what corporations want. Once you get a top MBA, your undergraduate major is irrelevant. No one cares you did engineering and besides, doing engineering when you don't like it can SERIOUSLY drop down your GPA and make it that much harder to get into a good MBA school.</p>
<p>let me tell you ... your interests may very well change in college. why limit yourself by going to a 2nd rate school and getting a vocational degree? i echo the sentiment that truly educated people get liberal arts degrees from ivies, etc. and then go to top business/law schools afterward. why go to NYU and have to focus on business just to get a job on wall street when you can major in anything at columbia and get the same job? lol. i'm a junior at columbia now, with plentiful wall street internship offers, and majoring in math/philosophy. wall street firms don't care how trained you are, just how smart and trainable you are. </p>
<p>Yeah I agree, dkn, you need to get off your high horse. Ivy leagues are not just in a league of their own (academically of course, you could be a smart ass and argue that they are in an athletic league of their own). Plenty of schools will provide you with a comparable undergraduate degree whether your choose liberal arts or a more specialized focus.</p>