NYU (Stern) Vs. UPenn (Wharton)

College Search & Selection
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<p>I am unsure if I really want to go to NYU Stern, but it seems the best option available to me. I am interested in a career in marketing (maybe entertainment based) and I think New York University's location and program is the best for me. I know UPenn is acknowledged as the most premeir college in business but what about in my situation? </p>

<p>Why isn't NYU that great? I don't like the fact that there isn't a lot of money (not that I would get any, my transcript isnt that great) but the main thing that bothers me is the community. Although I see that people have great social lives in New York City, it seems people hang out with a select group and there is a little community interaction with the dorms spread out and no real campus. I want to go to a college with friendly people and not something that seems intimidating like NYU where people are on their own. However I love NYU's emphasis on internships, and am not sure if UPenn has that much.</p>

<p>Why not UPenn? It seems very competitive (I hate the thing about only X amount of A'S) and I think I would just live to get an A and never really get to be myself. The community on the other hand seems really nice and a lot of nice people, even though there is too much Greek life for me. Gradewise I don't think I would do as well, but I think I would like the people better. But it also has one of the best business programs ever(overall).</p>

<p>What do you think I should do? So far I am leaning towards doing ED to NYU. I have visited both campuses in the summer, so have no real feel of the students, but I do of the programs and such. Any thoughts from NYU or UPenn students? Also any thoughts of any other good undergrad business schools for me including any but not limited to some that I would have a better chance to get into?</p>

<p>Thank you.</p>

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<p>stats would help. Wharton is considered to be as selective as about Stanford, so if you aren't a top student Wharton might not be realistic for you, but if you really like it it is certainly worth the shot. For Wharton, I would say top 10% + 2100 SAT would be about the bare minimum. NYU Stern is selective, but not as selective. I would compare it to possibly a little bit below Northwestern (all of this is in terms of selectivity, not reputation)</p>

<p>I also am not sure if Stern can compete w/ Wharton in marketing, but I do not have official information on that (if I am correct Stern's primary strength is in finance). Philadelphia is a big city as well, & I believe UPenn has a strong internship network. However, if you wanted to do work on Wall Street, then the internships at NYU would certainly suit your better.</p>

<p>My 1st choice this fall is Wharton. I asked a similar post referring to a list of schools asking which best fit my interests. I was told that I would hate NYU, so it might help you out to take a look at this thread.
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=971548#post971548%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=971548#post971548&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>I think that if you want the more typical college experience, you should go for Wharton. As far as I know, the NYU campus is inner-city, scattered around, etc. and doesn't really have a cohesive feel to it. I think you might end up getting a more diverse student body at NYU, in terms of economic diversity at least (LOT of rich kids at Penn), but I'm not sure about that one.</p>

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<p>Thats a misconception. There really arent that many "rich" people at Ivy Leagues. There are a handful, but in reality...not that many.</p>

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<p>Maybe not rich in the sense of having obscene amounts of money, but certainly in the sense of how much money they have relative to the average American.</p>

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<p>I wouldnt say incomes from 60k-100k is that much off from the average American.</p>

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<p>"Thats a misconception. There really arent that many "rich" people at Ivy Leagues. There are a handful, but in reality...not that many."</p>

<p>Not true. You'd be surprised.</p>

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<p>what do you consider rich, like income above 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 1 mil??</p>

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<p>actually average american family is around 30k right?</p>

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<p>Yes, the national average is about 30k.</p>

<p>NYU doesn't necessarily have better internship opportunities than Wharton.</p>

<p>Wharton is as good as it gets. The location in the city can help, but Wharonites get just as good, if not better, job offers in the end.</p>

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<p>
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Not true. You'd be surprised.

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No, actually Im not surprised. I am very familiar with the Ivy league, many family members and friends have gone there, and they all say this is the biggest misconception. Everytime I have visited a campus and talk to students, they also say that is incorrect. Most people who attend Ivy Leagues need some type of financial aid to attend; hence, nearly 60-70% of those who attend are on financial aid. Yes 30k is the national average, and I wouldnt say 90k is extraordinarily much higher. I know there are a handful of those who are very well-off and some who are "rich" but not enough to say "there are a lot." Yes, there might be more than other universities, but that doesnt mean "a lot." Most are average. </p>

<p>My personal opinion of rich is rather high, but that is influenced by my environment. I would say in terms of what the average american would think of as rich, those with income around 300k+, are not very common at Ivy Leagues.</p>

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<p>Why aren't you considering Michigan-Ross. You would most likely have to spend a year or two in the college of the Letters, Science and the Arts before transfering to the Business school, but if you are academically inclined and manage to get into the B-School, I think you would be very well served. Ross' marketing department is supposed to the one of the top 3 in the country and the Dean (Robert Dolan) of the Business school was one of Harvard's Marketing Gurus for 20 years, so you know he will see to it that Michigan remains a Marketing powerhouse.</p>

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<p>i was under the impression that nyu has an absurd amount of rich kids.</p>

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<p>nyu does have an absurd amount of rich kids</p>

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<p>Hey guys, thanks for posting back with your thoughts. You guys are valulable since you are unbiased.</p>

<p>So I hear that they both have a fair amount of rich kids, but that's not too big of a concern for me. However, you point out that UPenn's marketing program is significantly better then NYU's which is a pretty big deal. I did think New York City would be better though if I wanted to do anything entertainment based.</p>

<p>My main problem with UPenn is if I can hack it, i like the program except for the only limited number of A's thing. Here are my stats:</p>

<p>Ethnicity: Asian from TN
GPA: 3.88 (unweighted) or 4.15 (weighted)
Rank: Top 5%
APs: Biology, English Lit, English Language, US History, Government, Economics, Calculus AB
SAT: 1890 (bad i know, but I'm in a prep class and I think I can pull a 2100 in Oct. and prolly an even better ACT equivalent)
Acheivements: Top Ten in International DECA competiton, 1st in state and region in DECA, Eagle Scout, Cofounder of first Red Cross Club in TN, NHS
Clubs: Varsity Tennis Team (1 - 2 years), City Area Red Cross YOuth Council (4 years), School Red Cross CLub (1 - 2 years) been VP and Prez, SGA (4 years), Spanish Club (2 years), Science Honor Society (1 year), Newspaper Entertainment Editor, Governor's School and other enrichment programs
Work: Movie theatre 3 months (30 hrs/week), Camp Counselor
Volunteer Hours: appx 180</p>

<p>So with that do you think I can be okay at UPenn? Will the curriculum and competition be too overwhelming?</p>

<p>Also someone mentioned Michigan as an alternate college which I've heard is great, but I'm looking for a bigger city to go to college. What about USC? The only thing is its on the West Coast and I Live in TN, which could be troublesome, or is it not htat bad? (having to fly back and forth get stuff, car etc.). Any other suggestions for schools? And is NYU's community that bad even if I joined clubs and stuff?</p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

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<p>are the DECA awards as big as they sound? if they are, than i would say you def. have a shot at wharton. however, an 1890 will make it near impossible to get in. a 2100 w/ a solid rank w/ an int'l award will make you a more than reasonable candidate, although you still have a good chance of being rejected (wharton is a lottery school). Your state (TN) might help you also.</p>

<p>If your SAT does not go up, Wharton may be too big of a reach. However, if you like it way better than NYU, def. apply to Wharton ED. If you only like Wharton slightly more, than NYU ED might be the better & more realistic choice.</p>

<p>Michigan has a solid business program, as does USC. Haas at Berkeley is excellent as well, but you have to reapply specifically to Haas jr yr + Berkeley it really tough to get into out of state.</p>

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<p>Well the International Competition means mainly the US and about 5 - 10 other countries. However DECA (a marketing club, which looks good for busienss maybe)is really big in the US, it is in every public high school (by law) and there are 170,000 students in the organization. There are different events and in my event I was top ten. However, I don't know if the admissions people know all this so it sounds really good doesnt it anyway, lol. But I would say it is the equivalent of beinga top winner in a respectable national competition.</p>

<p>So you say with higher SAT scores you think I could not only get into UPenn, but actually handle the coursework when I am a student. Also, you're saying if it doesn't go up just do ED to Stern even though UPenn may be a better choice for me, but if I didn't do ED to Stern I may not get into either Stern or Penn?</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

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<p>darkpenguin - DECA is NOT in every public high school. i just graduated from a HUGE public high school and there definitely was no DECA. I also know many other high schools around here that do not have DECA... hell, the only one that do is 30 minutes away. Just to clear something up. Pull up that SAT score and how are your SAT IIs? Are they just as low as your SATI? Make sure you get past 750 on MathIIC for any buiness school.. they LOVE math people.</p>

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<p>"I think you might end up getting a more diverse student body at NYU, in terms of economic diversity at least (LOT of rich kids at Penn), but I'm not sure about that one."</p>

<p>I'm not too sure about that. I know people at both NYU and Penn (I'll be going to NYU in the fall), and the amount of tuition charged is virtually the same at both schools. I don't think one is going to give you a more "diverse" student body than the other in terms of econmics. Both schools will be mostly composed of upper-middle class people, i.e. not the average 30K income but not billionaires either. Of course, at both schools, there will be a minority of people who are either working class or absurdly wealthy (e.g. Olsen twins at NYU), but I'd say the majority don't fall into these catagories.</p>

<p>Both are great schools, but I just don't think diversity should be the deciding factor between them, this isn't Bob Jones U vs. [insert extremely diverse college here].</p>

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<p>oh man shrek you're in for a very big surprise when you come to penn...next time this year come back and tell me if there arent that many rich kids at penn. When half your friends have private jets, a weekend house in the hamptons, a summer house in nantucket, and a chalet in switzerland...remind yourself that the whole rich people at ivy league schools is a misconception.</p>