<p>Whats the hardest to get into Early action/decision?</p>
<p>NYU (CAS)
Tufts (no clue, for dentistry)
Colgate (whatever for dentistry)</p>
<p>I'm a current junior, just curious where to apply to...</p>
<p>please rank from hardest to easiest</p>
<p>Colgate
Tufts
NYU</p>
<p>Might add Bucknell and Holy Cross both similar to Colgate.</p>
<p>Colgate and Tufts are definitely harder to get into than NYU. All three are very distinct and different colleges but each is an excellent example of a rural, suburban and urban campus atmosphere. Your decision may come down to something as simple as that. Colgate offers an EDI and EDII option that you might look into; their EDI decisions this year were very strenuous and some top candidates were not just deferred to RD but rejected outright. Colgate this year took in a record number of applications, exceeding 8,000, breaking its previous record by over 1,400. Tufts also was most demanding in its ED decisions, but deferred many into their RD pool where they were culling those who had been rejected ED by the Top 10 unis. The word is still out on NYU which has lately gained a reputation for taking all those Columbia and Barnard deferrals who just have to be in the City. Speaking of Columbia, you might consider its graduate school for your dentistry degree.</p>
<p>"Colgate and Tufts are definitely harder to get into than NYU."</p>
<p>Thats not correct. NYU has a lower acceptance rate than both of these schools. NYU's average SAT is 1352, and Colgate's is a 1335 (source: Princeton Review). Tufts has an average SAT of 1368 (Tuft's website), but NYU is much larger, and CAS at NYU has a higher SAT average than Tufts (average of 1371 in 2001...surely higher now, NYU gets more selective by the year).</p>
<p>CAS SAT scores at NYU:
<a href="http://www.nyu.edu/fas/GAP/GeneralInfo/CASGPAandSAT.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.nyu.edu/fas/GAP/GeneralInfo/CASGPAandSAT.pdf</a></p>
<p>The Revealed Preferences ranking which ranks on the college choices of cross admits has NYU above both Tufts and Colgate (by a larger margin over Colgate). Thus someone accepted to all 3 is more likely to choose NYU, less likely to choose Tufts, and highly unlikely to choose Colgate.</p>
<p>Revealed Preferences:
<a href="http://post.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/hoxby/papers/revealedprefranking.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://post.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/hoxby/papers/revealedprefranking.pdf</a>.</p>
<p>Also everyone knows of Tufts syndrome, where the school strategically rejects/wait lists ultraqualified candidates who are probably using it as a safety.</p>
<p>"The Revealed Preferences ranking which ranks on the college choices of cross admits has NYU above both Tufts and Colgate (by a larger margin over Colgate). Thus someone accepted to all 3 is more likely to choose NYU, less likely to choose Tufts, and highly unlikely to choose Colgate"</p>
<p>"Thats not correct" First Colgate average SAT is not 1335. It is more like 1380. That PR number is just wrong and/or very outdated. </p>
<p>Second, NYU is only one spot ahead of Tufts in the Revealed Preferences "ranking". That means nothing.<br>
With Colgate, a small majority pick NYU over Colgate. If you look at Table 4, you will see that even that is not a good comparison. They have two different applicant pools. Also Revealed Preference has nothing to do with how hard it is to get into a school. </p>
<p>_luckybug and collegeparent are right. A ranking of how hard they are to get into would be Colgate, Tufts, with a gap before NYU</p>
<p>In short, your whole post is wrong, and you should stop trolling for NYU since the number you use don't support you. </p>
<p>You are doing a major disservice to the people that read these boards.</p>
<p>I find it bizzarly hillarious that someone with "Colgate" in their user name is accusing me of trollling...talk about irony.</p>
<p>"First Colgate average SAT is not 1335. It is more like 1380."</p>
<p>I listed my source..Princeton Review...where is yours?</p>
<p>"_luckybug and collegeparent are right. A ranking of how hard they are to get into would be Colgate, Tufts, with a gap before NYU"</p>
<p>Well I guess that just settles it all...nevermind the fact that NYU has a lower acceptance rate, higher SAT scores, and is more likely to selected by a cross admit (doesn't take an english professor to sense the sarcasm here).</p>
<p>"Also Revealed Preference has nothing to do with how hard it is to get into a school."</p>
<p>A statement like this utterly ignores the concept of supply and demand..I guess you weren't an econ. major, and probably never worked in any finance related field either. If the ranking has nothing to do with how hard a school is to get into, is it then merely coincidence that the schools ranked at the top are the hardest to get into?</p>
<p>"SAT middle 50% 650-730v 660-740m"
source: <a href="http://www.colgate.edu/DesktopDefault1.aspx?tabid=555&pgID=2080%5B/url%5D">http://www.colgate.edu/DesktopDefault1.aspx?tabid=555&pgID=2080</a></p>
<p>Taking the average of those gives you 1390.</p>
<p>I once saw 1386, but I could not quickly find it.</p>
<p>You keep insisting that NYU has the highest SAT scores but that is not true. It has the lowest of the three </p>
<p>"is more likely to selected by a cross admit"<br>
That is also not true. Tuft and NYU are back to back in the ranking. That difference means nothing. </p>
<p>"NYU has a lower acceptance rate"
I'll give you that it is a few points, but that does not mean that it makes a school harder to get into on face value. That number includes "unqualified" applicants that have no shot at getting in. We have no idea what % of Colgate, Tufts, or NYU applicants are in that category. I would have to guess that NYU would have the highest based on its location and rep. </p>
<p>If you want to talk about school size, Colgate has the advantage. Because it is a much smaller school and it play D-1 sports (NYU plays D-III), the percentage of athletes at Colgate is higher making it harder for non-recruited athletes to get in. </p>
<p>Ill answer your second post in a second. I want to see the end of the hockey game.</p>
<p>SAT middle 50% 650-730v 660-740m"
source: <a href="http://www.colgate.edu/DesktopDefau...d=555&pgID=2080">http://www.colgate.edu/DesktopDefau...d=555&pgID=2080</a>"</p>
<p>Sorry, but this doesn't prove your assertion. This stat is for ADMITTED students...not enrolled ones (where the SAT average is NYU 1352 vs. Colgate 1335). If you want to talk about admitted students, I can assure you the average student accepted to NYU has a higher SAT than a 1352. NYU's mid 50% range for ENROLLED freshmen is 1300-1450.</p>
<p><a href="http://admissions.nyu.edu/before/%5B/url%5D">http://admissions.nyu.edu/before/</a> </p>
<p>Also, the fact is, NYU's average is brought down by non-academic schools like the school of ed and the school of social work (Tisch school of performing arts is selective in its own way). CAS's average (where the OP would apply) is clearly higher than NYU as a whole, and is second to Stern amongst NYU undergrad schools. </p>
<p>"We have no idea what % of Colgate, Tufts, or NYU applicants are in that category. I would have to guess that NYU would have the highest based on its location and rep."</p>
<p>You're right we, have no idea. But we can look at where else the applicants apply (from Pton Review): </p>
<p>NYU:<br>
Columbia University - Columbia College
Harvard College
Cornell University
Georgetown University
Yale University
Boston University
Tufts University
Brown University
University of Pennsylvania</p>
<p>Colgate:
Dartmouth College
Cornell University
Middlebury College
Boston University
Tufts University</p>
<p>JWBlue & Colgate13, you're proving nothing here. Let the OP visit the three campuses s/he's interested in and decide from there.</p>
<p>Since I applied to all three of these schools, with a 1390 SAT and nothing special in particular besides 6/300 in my class four 5's on AP testing, I'll let you know how this decision (or whether I'll not or get in, and I'm banking on not getting into any three of these schools) actually goes.
I'm from NY, and I applied as a biology major. What you may have forgotten, what makes a school "better" applies to everyone for themselves- location, which school is more reputable pertaining to a certain major, etc...</p>
<p>If I got into all three, I think I'd choose NYU simply because its close to home.</p>
<p>I just remembered this post...
I think I pretty much destroy this entire argument. You can't predict college admissions in the LEAST.
WLst from Tufts, (the second hardest someone figured to get into) and IN and NYU and Colgate.</p>
<p>And I'm choosing NYU, I think, it's that or upstate bumble****... I think I'll go with the city</p>
<p>LMAO...NYU is very easy to get into...are you kidding me?? my friend with a 1100 SAT score and 3.2 GPA....and classes like painting, drawing, journalism, yearbook, etc etc. got in...are you joking me? it's probably the EASIEST place to get into. the only honors courses she took were IB eng. and IB Biz.</p>
<p>What school in NYU did your "friend" get into? Is she a minority? Is she an artist? Does she have any exceptional EC's? I have a feeling you're not telling us the whole story...that or you're just exaggerating.</p>
<p>For clarification - Colgate's acceptance rate is ~33%, NYU's acceptance rate is 35% and according to PR the average SAT is 1318, and the Tufts acceptance rate is 25% with the SAT scores in the 1370ish range.</p>
<p>Note: all of this is according to PR, and it is very possible that PR's site is wrong (actually it's often wrong about a lot of things).</p>
<p>also i think it's worthy to note that things are always changing..
that friend who got into NYU might not have gotten in if she were to have applied next year or the year after that, since the applicant pool is always getting more and more competitive...
and i second hmanx's opinion that balonce_noles isn't giving us the whole picture,</p>
<p>You also have to consider that yes NYU has a 35% acceptance rate- but that is for ALL of the schools, and 35,000 people apply... for someone considering arts and sciences (they would most likely be considering if they're interested in colgate) I would assume that it's really NOT that easy to get into CAS (I know great students referred to GSP).
More people are rejected by NYU than by Colgate, and due to geographics and **** like that, I'm sure it's harder for some students to get into NYU or harder for some students to get into Colgate. I got into both (NYU is in love with my school), and I'm happy, and that 1100 story is BS, unless they were referred to GSP by some miracle of the gods, because I know a URM with a 1300 and a great GPA and ECs get rejected by CAS.</p>
<p>uh, i've seen stats of ppl over here, and she has nothing compared to that level....i agree that she is a very creative person however. She's from NY and her 'rents can pay the whole cost...she got into the florence program tho. what's that about? she studies at a private school in SE Asia.</p>