NYU vs. Barnard

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<p>Queer is the generally accepted self-adopted term for anyone of alternative sexuality. It's not a slur.</p>

<p>Barnard and Columbia discussed merging in the 80's when Columbia finally went co-ed, and it was decided that the current relationship would work out best for all involved. Barnard didn't want to vanish, and Columbia realized it could benefit from attracting those students who weren't otherwise considering Columbia. LAC fans, mostly, but women's colleges also do attract a different crowd--and no, not just lesbians.</p>

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<p>"I would definitely disagree that the top LACs can measure up to research U's in the criteria you seem to value." </p>

<p>The line between LAC and research U is not clear cut. For example, Colgate is indeed a university with graduate programs, but US News ranks it as a LAC. The same can be said for Wesleyan and Washington & Lee (which even has a law school); they are also considered LACs for ranking purposes, but are clearly universities. On the other hand, schools like Princeton, Brown, and Dartmouth have an LAC feel to them (small size and undergrad focus), sometimes more so than the actual "LACs", and yet they are ranked as universities. Thus there is no bright line rule for saying which is which.</p>

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<p>Harvard got rid of Radcliffe because they had the power to do it; Radcliffe had little or no endowment to call its own and did not even have its own faculty. Toward the end, Radcliffe was simply an administrative fiction that resided mostly in the admissions office. Barnard had both its own money and faculty.</p>

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<p>Barnar's affiliation with Columbia, with its campus and so forth may give it an advantage over NYU, especially since Barnard has seems more cozzy, perhaps because of its location on the Upper West Side, affilitaiton with columbia,a better campus,etc.</p>

<p>However, the advantage that Barnard has over NYU is narrowing but still there. Ant that advantage is limited Here's why:</p>

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<li><p>NYU has only became a great school over the last 2 decades after becoming near bankruptcy. The gap is narrowing between the two schools, however NYU doesn't have that space/campus advantage. Reason being: Columbia has nearly 3 times the space nyu has as president john sexton has mentioned. Many people are opposed to NYU's expansion because the neighboorhood in which NYU is very desirable. In turn, barnard may not have the advantage sooner or later.</p></li>
<li><p>Afillitation with Columbia is barnard's strenght , barnard as itself is a bit limited in terms of professional academics, my cuzin went to Barnard , loved it of course, but it never really set her mind as to what to become in life, she ended up doing english.</p></li>
<li><p>Here is a VERY IMPORTANT POINT. It sometimes Depends on <em>Which College</em> you are AT IN NYU, if you are in special programs, and the amount of scholarships, grants, special programs.</p></li>
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<p>Why, NYU has produced more academy award winners than any other university, tisch is very tough to get into, in terms of the arts and professions, nyu is top rate. Its no wonder a lot of celebrities and professionals want and go to NYU. Its true barnard has a some of the above, but it doesnt really compare to NYU. NYU also has the advantage of having about a dozen "study abroad" faciltiies.</p>

<p>Sick of being in the city, you can go to prague, paris, london or whatever and still fulfill the morse academic plan requirements for NYU's main college - arts and sciences. One girl went to prague and it had the beautiful scence nad area that beats nyu.</p>

<p>It all depends, but I have to say the advantage of barnard is narrowing a lot.</p>

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<p>wow, this is an old thread you resurrected.</p>

<p>I think a better way to state it is that the prestige of NYU, and the academic character of its student body, has increased a lot, as an absolute matter across the board and not necessarily just in comparison to one particular other college.</p>

<p>My daughter is a freshman at Barnard, but thought very seriously about Tisch before she decided a BFA program was not for her.</p>

<p>These are still very different places, and I think the only reason they would be compared by the same individuals at all is because they are both in New York.</p>

<p>Numerous members of our family attended graduate & professional schools at NYU, and we lived nearby for a long time. On the one hand, it is a pretty darned disjointed place, with little campus, seemingly little cohesiveness, and students strewn about living all over lower Manhattan. Barnard, and even Columbia, appears to have somewhat more of a campus-centered experience, though certainly not like an isolated college outside of New York. NYU is also huge and, when I attended, highly beaurocratic.</p>

<p>On the other hand, when my daughter is going out someplace, it seems like a lot of the time she is headed for Greenwich Village. And Barnard is just a liberal arts college. If you want to major in business (and now, it seems, engineering), or get a BFA, you can't do that there. And then there are the traditional, generic "big U vs. LAC" tradeoffs. Some of which Barnard escapes because of Columbia, but undoubtedly not all. And NYU has a number of departments of widely acknowledged excellence: mathematics, business, film, etc.</p>

<p>So, as in many cases, I think the"advantage" depends on the totality of one's particular values and objectives.</p>

<p>One thing that kind of surprised me, before she started looking at colleges, is that the male-female ratio around Morningside Heights, in aggregate, is actually about the same as at NYU, in aggregate. That sort of gave me a different perspective on the "all-girls school" thing.</p>

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<p>Very good response, people seem to like greenwich village and lower manhattan nowadays, morningside heights is a bit like harlem to an extent.</p>

<p>NYU's main problem as I said before is that Columbia is nearly 3x bigger, and nyu has a lot of opposition towards expansion. NYU does have its downside towards angering neighboorhood preservations who want to preserve the trees and beauty so it cuts them both ways. I guess nyu's international centers add a lot to the experience if one wants to try them.</p>

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<p>why in the world are people comparing a small liberals arts college that has very limited offers in fields and a large private research university? I really donā€™t get it. some people are putting down one school and the other when, in reality, you guys probably couldnā€™t even attempt to attend either of the schools. Unless you can live two lives and experience both colleges at the same time, you guys donā€™t know ****. </p>

<p>i agree that nyuā€™s ā€œcampusā€ could be less spread out, but dammit the city isnā€™t like gigantic or anything. and donā€™t even get me started with barnardā€™s campus. itā€™s like the size of my living room. itā€™s very small, nothing to brag about. iā€™m not even going to mention columbia, because neither of the two schools are actually ā€œitā€. whether you attend barnard or nyu, you are MOST DEFINITELY going to use the subway and commute unless youā€™re like a hermit who lives in the dorm 24/7. GET OVER YOUR COCKY, KNOW-IT-ALL ATTITUDES AND shut the hell up with this dumb argument. and iā€™m speaking for future threads on this as well since this is oldā€¦i know someone whoā€™s applying to both will read it. none of this makes sense, so donā€™t bother listening to all these perceptions these people have either from their parents, media, or some dumb ****er off the streets who compares the two.</p>

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<p>plus, just as an advice, smoke some pot and relax, because these people and anyone like these people off the net, seem like the most uptight bunch of computer nerds Iā€™ve ever come upon. jesus, get a life.</p>

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<p>just curious, are you directing this advice to the people who posted on this trhread six years ago, or the people who posted on it 3-1/2 years ago?</p>