<p>Yes, goyoungha is definately a guy... haha : P</p>
<p>oh shiz, mistaked you for somebody else goyoungha, lol</p>
<p>haha, i got it supa-mat</p>
<p>i'm an incoming stern freshman so i've done alot of research on this stuff. generally stern is a harder school to get into than CAS. HOWEVER, this isn't to say that the people admitted into CAS are not as superior as those admitted to stern. i'd say those in the CAS honors or scholars program (whatever it's called) have close to or maybe even better stats than some stern admits. but whichever school you apply to, make sure you're applying because it's where you want to be, not because it sounds "superior"</p>
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ok ill say first off, I am a Stern Scholar and therefore biased
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<p>Excellent, you begin by admitting that your argument is flawed.</p>
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<p>And where in my posts did I say that? I had merely stated that Stern is not superior to the other schools of NYU in every academic area, as eji seemed to note. Stern studies are more concentrated in the business arena that CAS, and departments such as philosophy are also top-notch. I had conceded that Stern is probably the more harder to gain admission to, as well, but it seems that you missed that as well.</p>
<p>If you want to argue stats, then I would gladly oblige. I'm a CAS scholar, and I have no trouble in saying that I would have had a pretty good shot at Stern if I had wanted. But because I wanted to go pre-med, I decided to apply to CAS. It's true that Stern students can easily take courses at CAS, but it is also possible to take a series of "pre-business" courses at Stern as a CAS student.</p>
<p>Eji, just how did I quote you out of context? If I'm not mistaken CAS is one of those "schools of NYU" that I was talking about. I had just included Tisch and Steinhardt to supplement my point. But if you would like to compare just CAS and Stern, then feel free. I am still pretty sure that CAS has things that Stern does not, and that Stern has things that CAS does not have. I was not arguing about your so-called "superiority" but merely to the fit of studies.</p>
<p>what're you talking about. THIS WHOLE POST IS let me see....CAS vs. STERN....so stop comming into the thread without knowing the topic....the whole argument is about CAS vs. Stern...so you are quoting out of context by assuming that I was referring to Stern as more challenging than all other schools of NYU, rather than the Stern vs. CAS point that I made. You don't know what you're talking about....</p>
<p>To which I responded:</p>
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I am still pretty sure that CAS has things that Stern does not, and that Stern has things that CAS does not...
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<p>Which is believe is a "Stern vs. CAS" point like you describe it.</p>
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You don't know what you're talking about....
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<p>I'll be the first to admit that I may be going insane, but I see nothing wrong with what I've said. I explicitly stated that I only used schools like Steinhardt to supplement my post. And by supplement, I mean, in case you were wondering, that I had included CAS as part of my point. Anyway, I'm only glad that you've agreed to the importance of fit in applying for freshman admission. That was really what I was pushing for.</p>
<p>okay, i know far better than to engage in pointless arguments of pedantry and semantics....you have erroneously posted in this thread from the get-go and i'm not going to respond to you anymore. Dextr0z and troxel317 made valid points, you guys know what you're talking about...</p>
<p>Very well. There is no doubt that our little charade was indeed pointless, and that it would be for the best to stop making a mockery of ourselves.</p>
<p>EDIT: Besides, I think that we've inadvertently answered the OP's questions.</p>
<p>whatever you say chief</p>
<p>Although Stern is harder to gain admission into and has a more competitive environment than CAS, I do not think Stern kids are superior than CAS kids...what the hell does "superior" mean anyway? It is true that Stern kids are more competitive and academically-driven in general, however, if that is what people mean. I just do not think superior is an appropriate word to describe a person.</p>
<p>I agree. (10char)</p>
<p>i would also like to note (i forgot to put this in my response) that it is not impossible to transfer from any nyu school into stern. granted, it is difficult, but the main reason they discourage doing so (and thus putting up the facade of impossibility) is because of the required courses stern students must take in their first year, and subsequent years after that. transfering in after freshmen year complicates the course scheduling of the student, limiting the courses they can take. that being said, you CAN transfer, but it is definitely not recommended (for your own sake). one of my roommates next year transfered from CAS to stern - and he's pre-med. </p>
<p>also, the bickering over school superiority is rediculous. you don't apply to stern to major in history, and likewise you don't apply to CAS to major in finance. statistically, yes, stern kids have a reputation for having high grades and test scores coming in from high school. does that mean anything once you get here? no. for those of you venturing out into the business world (or are already in it), you should know that test scores and how you did in school do not close business deals. </p>
<p>i'm kind of curious as to how many people who posted on this topic actually attend nyu now, as opposed to those who are basing all of their responses on statistics and second-hand information and are incoming freshmen.</p>
<p>very well said, the_nightboy; indeed, "you don't apply to stern to major in history, and likewise you don't apply to CAS to major in finance."</p>
<p>is apple superior to orange? or is red superior to green? pfff. INTERESTING.</p>
<p>this whole "my school is better than yours" business IS ridiculous, but yet i cannot stand a rather insightless bit of comment like "...even NYU thinks Stern students are superior." the word "superior" does sound hilariously funny. </p>
<p>you DO NOT compare two things that stand on a competely different spectra of functions. yes, both apple and orange belong in fruit group, just like CAS and Stern do in NYU, but that's pretty much the only thing they have in common. everything else is INCOMPARABLE. apple might be better for people who prefer a sweeter taste as opposed to orange might be better for people who prefer a sourer taste. </p>
<p>i am a determined Philosophy major, and knowing NYU (CAS) ranked #1 in Philosophy department in the nation, CAS, to me, was the best school existent. while comparing Wharton with Stern is rather appropriate, CAS vs. Stern in terms of "betterness" or so the so called "superiority" is a pure gibberish.</p>
<p>dear some particular sternies here: sure i agree that you are smart. (but then again, try to avoid taking risk generalizing TOO much - some of us chose CAS over cornell and harvard (from waitlist obviously), many of us scored perfect in SATs, many of us happen to have excelled in both AB and BC calc, AP Economics, and AP Law in highschool yet just happen to like philosophy, literature, visual arts, or science more.) </p>
<p>but go boast your stern-pride in other (so-called) "inferior" BUSINESS SCHOOLS, not CAS, in which students are pursuing any and everything OTHER THAN business. while you are planning to major in finance, would you apply to So-and-so School of MUSIC just because the school is known to be more selective? so you can join the "superior" crowd? i DONT think so.</p>
<p>hahaha, </p>
<p>I just graduated from Stern in May and I used CC to help make my decision to transfer to NYU (from a community college nonetheless...the one that I decided to go to after I dropped out of high school that is), so I was checking out some of the posts to see if I could give back and lend any decent advice...and I come across this posting...</p>
<p>With that said, I have to say that disputing whether or not Stern is more difficult than CAS is a bit pointless. It may be worth noting that as a transfer I took all of the required Stern courses and only missed out on writing the essay and a couple of MAP courses, which, from what I understand, were requirements for the majority of (if not the rest of) the university anyway. </p>
<p>One has to consider that CAS and Stern are two very different types of schools and that the most distinguishing aspect of Stern is its competitive atmosphere. Despite NYU's best efforts to teach the underlying theories of Business/Finance rather than solely focus on its real world applications, Stern still borders more so on a vocational/career oriented school (which is exactly why i chose Stern), whereas CAS emphasises liberal arts and individual critical thinking (generally followed by an in class group discussion in my experience). A majority of the long hours required to complete work for Stern, as well as the justification for their own 24 hour labs and free-printing privileges (amognst other "perks"), is the case-study based cirriculum that often requires a lot of group work. </p>
<p>I know first hand how the long hours required to complete coursework and the intense amount of studying (scouring every detail of the textbook and slides) needed in order to beat the Stern curve can create a bit of resentment (if not an academic superiority complex) towards your Tisch roomate who spends 12 out of 24 hours a day painting tiny little (plastic) models he builds with all of his seemingly free time, or your CAS roomate that wants to sexile you so that he can have sex with his girlfriend at 1am on a Wednesday before a midterm. But at the same time, one must keep it in perspective. It is the nature of the business program and the school itself, more so than the academic material that leads to this.</p>
<p>I took all of my electives in CAS and found them to be equally as challenging and in fact, more intellectually stimulating (and requiring more reading than I ever imagined possible). Yes I got higher grades in CAS, but that had more to do with the fact that acceptable answers were allowed to be more ambiguous and opinionated so long as they were well thought out, not to mention I was not fighting the Stern curve. At the end of the day, I was working just as hard in my CAS classes and was able to see just as much value in them as I had in Stern. Despite my love for finance and Stern, I often think that I could have ended up just as well majoring in philosophy, afterall, in my short career in finance, i have already met numerous (at least 6) NYU alum with front office jobs in finance that attended CAS rather than Stern. Not to mention some current CAS friends that were able to land very impressive finance internships for the summer of their junior year. </p>
<p>Some may cite that Stern has a higher average SAT score than CAS (at least according to business week's ugrad b-school rankings vs princeton review's university average) as a testament to Stern's superiority. Sure this is indicative of a more competitive applicant pool for Stern than CAS. However, I feel that this is a function of the higher pay-off (at the undergrad level) associated with a finance/business school degree than say a degree in philosophy. However to value the academic superiority of either school based on this metric would be to assume that everyone that attends or wants to attend NYU are motivated by the same thing, money. Despite my absolute love for money myself (I like buying stuff) it is not all that there is to life (though I wish there was more of it in life, and less inflation).</p>
<p>I would argue that the only students at NYU that are not getting a so-called 'superior' education are those that, because of their bias, fail to leverage all the University has to offer, especially in terms of challenging CAS courses that Sternies can (but in many cases from my experience, decide not to) take. Yes, only them and Steinhardt students........ (jk just playing on another NYU generalization here).</p>
<p>Great post! We are lucky to have someone like you here to guide us.</p>
<p>this thread is waaay off topic. This wasn't suppose to be philosophical arguement over the superiority or inferiority of certain types of education. Nor was it even a discussion of which school had better programs (NYU has the number 1 philosophy department in the country btw), its a discussion on which is harder to get into. Both schools are hard to get into, but Stern has statistically significant higher SAT scores and GPA. You should apply to CAS if you're worried about getting in; you also have a high chance of getting GSP which is a back door in. Internal transfers into Stern are hard however, so if you know you want to go into business apply to Stern even though chances are less. You can also major in econ in cas, which is a very good department. most finance related career will hire you with an Econ diploma, just realize the caliber of student majoring in Econ in CAS is higher than the average CAS student. end of discussion.</p>
<p>about the student body...i think this topic illustrates it perfectly...</p>
<p>I'm in CAS and I have a lot of friends who are majoring in economics in CAS because they were afraid they wouldn't be accepted if they applied to Stern. It's really lame. As soon as they tell someone their major, they're immediately asked ""Why aren't you in Stern?". I think one of them took an accounting class in Stern and I'm sure you can work something out with your advisor to take some Stern classes, but they accept very few transfers.</p>
<p>Don't apply to CAS just because you think you have a better chance of being accepted. If you want to go to business school, go to a business school.</p>