Nyuad vs amherst?

<p>I know both schools are amazing and both will be great, which is making the decision super difficult.</p>

<p>Pros/cons of academics, social life, opportunities, programs, etc…?
Post grad and Job opportunities ?
Just any input really, would be highly appreciated.
I was accepted to Dartmouth and Upenn as well but have crossed them out of my list and do not want to discuss them .</p>

<p>A few aspects to be especially addressed:
as an international student, i was wondering how easy is it to assimilate the new society ?
Does an international student like me (Pakistani) ends up forming a clique with other international student only ?
Would NYUAD, a place where a concept of minority/majority does not exist prove to be more beneficial ?
NYUAD allows me to acquire substantial amounts of financial support to attend conferences/competitions/research. Would that be possible at Amherst ?</p>

<p>Um, internationals do tend to cling together, but this happens everywhere, not just at Amherst. A friend of mine seems to think that Amherst’s diversity is superficial because there is little interaction between different ethnic groups outside of class. But that’s just one person’s view, and you should ask international students you know about what’s going on in there.</p>

<p>NYUAD is a new school but it attracts extremely talented students from all over the world. I, personally, would prefer Amherst because even though NYUAD is great, its location is a major bummer (no freedom of speech outside of the school). If you’re a conservative Pakistani you should be okay, though, unless you have a bone to pick with how things work in the UAE.</p>

<p>NYUAD does attract talented students but how do They compare to ones at Amherst?
I consider myself to be a very liberal, adaptable and social person.<br>
Is the superficiality that big as to offset the benefits of Amherst and an American College experiance? </p>

<p>Hey AreebArsha! I turned down Dartmouth as well. I don’t know much about NYUAD, but Amherst is very liberal and has great student funding/research ops because it is such a small school. What field are you interested in studying?</p>

<p>Im glad to know that people do chose Amherst over ivies. Speaks a lot for Amherst itself. I hope one at such a high appeal permeates the general masses as well.
How often to people take part in research at Amherst?
I am interested in Maths and economics. </p>

<p>I might dabble in physics, psychology, sociology too. </p>

<p>Which class/subects are you in and pursue respectively? </p>

<p>Congratulations. I think a lot depends upon where you would like to study. NYUAD is in the Middle East, and I suspect the majority of its students are from that region. Amherst may have something like 10% internationals but America itself is cosmopolitan with many different races and ethnicities. I also would expect that a significant number of students (perhaps another 10%) may have immigrated to the U.S. when young or are second generation Americans whose parents immigrated to the U.S. I was in the latter category. I personally think you will get a much broader cultural and intellectual experience at Amherst than studying in Abu Dhabi. Additionally, I believe that small colleges necessarily bring students from different backgrounds together through academics, sports, recreational activities, etc. There is not enough critical mass for students of one nationality to hang out only with those from their own country. Thus, international students paradoxically are more likely to interact with and befriend internationals from other countries and Americans because they will interact more with them than at a large university, even though the actual number of students is much larger at the latter. </p>

<p>As one poster observed, internationals may tend to hang out more with other internationals, even at a place like Amherst. It certainly is understandable given that they all are adapting to a new country as well as a new college experience. In some ways, they will have common experiences that transcend their country of origin. Additionally, they also have an international and multicultural perspective that not many of their American classmates will have (at least as freshman). However, unlike large universities where there may be significant numbers of other students who are from there own country and the temptation is great to conveniently stick together, I would argue that attending a LAC may actually encourage more diverse interactions among international and American students. Without the comfort and convenience of a significant group of students from their own country, international students necessarily will make the effort to meet others from outside their own country. I currently work in Asia, and I have met Asians who have studied in the U.S. and essentially hung out within their own ghetto when they attended American universities with significant numbers of their countrymen. Unfortunately, many of them have little understanding of the U.S., marginal English oral and writing skills, and no close American friends. They missed out on the transformational possibilities of their undergraduate education. I guarantee you that will not happen at Amherst.</p>

<p>I also have advised several Pakistani students who have studied in the U.S. Not one has regretted the experience even though they may have decided to work elsewhere or return back in their home country. With all its faults, America still is a place where individual freedom is important. I think it is a special opportunity to attend college where there are no restrictions on your inquiries, the opportunity to discuss your ideas with classmates and professors without fear of repercussions, and at the same time develop respect and tolerance for divergent views. College is a great time to be exposed to ideas that are at odds with what you may have learned and to challenge your previous assumptions. It is the time and place to discover who you really are and to grow as an individual. </p>

<p>I am an Amherst alum and I remember that during my freshman year, Profs. Fink and Craig, two well-liked Chemistry and English professors, came to our dorm one evening in September to chat about “The meaning of Amherst” (I know the title sounds a little pretentious, that honestly that was was it was billed as) and their role as teachers. I still have vivid memories of 15-20 of my classmates and I sitting with them in the oak-paneled library of Pratt dorm (not sure if the library has survived after multiple renovations) to discuss this matter over some wine and cheese in the early evening. Prof. Craig started our “conversation” by saying that his colleague in the English Dept., the poet Robert Frost, was always impressed by the “coltishness” of each entering freshman class. However, his job " was to frisk them of their misconceptions." Profs. Fink, Craig, and us then proceeded to discuss what this meant over the next three hours.</p>

<p>I don’t think you will find many places where faculty and students will have this type of dialog. Even in the U.S. it is relatively rare, given the time constraints of faculty and the busyness of students. And yet I believe that liberal arts colleges offer the size, ethos, and relative seclusion and "protected time " from the outside world, to seriously contemplate such matters, and develop the difficult but necessary skills for introspection and critical thinking. As you can readily discern, I vote for Amherst but ultimately you will be the one to decide where is best place for you.</p>

<p>On a different but somewhat related matter, I have been reading a lot about the June 4 Tian An Men massacre. On this anniversary today, let us never take for granted our privilege to have the freedoms to learn what we want, ask whatever questions we are curious about, be able to explore them to their end, challenge dogma and authority in whatever guise they make take, and act on the basis of our consciences. Unfortunately, students in certain parts of the world still do not have this opportunity.</p>

<p>Haha I should have specified that I’m going to be a freshmen this upcoming fall at amherst. I believe that there are a lot of research oppurtunities because of there being no grad students and a small class size in general. When I went for the admitted students weekend one girl worked extensively with a professor on his book and she will be published in the book as well and she’s only a sophomore. In terms of economics, amherst is a great place because of the alumni connection and that it’s a fairly popular major at amherst ( not to mention Joseph Stieglitz went to amherst who won the Nobel prize in economics). Math is also great. I talked to a guy from amherst college who was at dartmouth doing an engineering program at the Thayer school of engineering (there’s a special program that 11 liberal arts colleges have with dartmouth for egineering where students go to Thayer for junior year and one year after graduating and they receive an egineering degree) and he said that he missed amherst and respected it in every aspect over dartmouth. He was a math major at amherst and he said he really liked the program and it quite hard and very theoretical at points ( something you may not get at a large research university as opposed to a liberal arts college). I myself am interested in humanties/social science. I hope I helped a bit!</p>

<p>How are you deciding this right now if the deadline to accept/decline offers at Amherst was May 1st? Anyway, Im an Amherst international student so if you’d like some opinions feel free to PM me!</p>

<p>Dear student970, I would be curious to know whether you think my observations about Amherst are valid today since it has been a while since I graduated from Amherst or have been back there. On the other hand, through my work, I meet, evaluate, and work regularly with recent graduates from almost all the top universities in the U.S. , Britain, Australia, and Asia. as well as faculty and administrators from some of these places. I also know several trustees personally (actually not that difficult at a small college like Amherst). My views also reflect those of an alumnus who is reflecting back on the value of his/her education rather than as a student who is immediately experiencing collegiate life. And of course, even institutions change over time, although my impression from meeting and chatting with recent grads from Amherst and similar LACs, is that the core educational mission and sense of community at their colleges have not changed much, if at all, from the time I attended. However, my experiences do not tell nearly as much about life at Amherst today than someone who currently is “on the ground”, living in a college dorm, eating at Valentine Hall, and attending classes. AreebArsha, did you just get admitted from the waiting list? I also can be PMed if you would like more specific information, particularly my experiences with graduates from American universities who grew up in your country.</p>

<p>Dear @pmyen‌ </p>

<p>NYUAD has no majority (which is one of main reasons why, as an international student, i like NYUAD)
there are approximately 5 to 10 students from 50 to 80 countries constituting a batch of 250 every year.</p>

<p>i consider myself as a social, adaptable and accepting person but occasionally fear that that even may not be enough to fully integrate myself into society.
i do not want to be an outsider.
I live in Pakistan and many cultural values and norms in Abu dhabi are the same. Adjust wont be an issue in the slightest.
I want my college years to be transformative and challenging and that is why i would like to go America.
what troubles me is the thought that would it be too challenging ?</p>

<p>i am equally excited about either.
The people in either group is equally talented and accomplished though i think the scales might weigh a bit more in Amherst’s direction.
teaching (and teachers) is definitely better at Amherst.
the thing about NYUAD which still hooks me is the population. The 250 people at NYUAD are way more active (on the facebook page as that is the only place i can compare) than the 500 people in the Amherst group. They seem more receptive and welcoming.
NYUAD offers two January terms and two semesters abroad at NYU Global sites (all paid) too.
As an international student, becoming a part of Amherst White Dominated society poses a question mark for me.</p>

<p>@pmyen‌ and @5oclockhero‌
on another note
i turned down Dartmouth and Upenn.
how does Amherst fare in the Job market and Grad placements ?</p>

<p>You can study abroad for two semesters through Amherst too. Your college years will be “transformative and challenging” at either school. If it were so challenging that you couldn’t handle it, none of those schools would have admitted you. You can do it. Stop worrying about it.</p>

<p>I agree that NYU Abu Dhabi is more diverse and very international indeed. But this is really a choice you have to make for yourself because these schools are very different, and there will be tradeoffs associated with picking either school. College is what you make of it. You can have a superb experience at either school.</p>

<p>Can anyone describe the difference in faculty and teaching between the two institutions? </p>

<p>Bump</p>

<p>Are you still trying to decide?</p>

<p>As an internationals student, I think that international students’ experiences tend to be different. I’ve known international students who loved Amherst (me included) and some who did not like it as much. Overall, though, I do not think international students tend to hang out together. Most tend to adapt very easily to the environment, and make many friends from many different backgrounds. International students from the same geographic region may become close friends, and may tend to “party” together, but that’s it. Every student tends to have his/her own group of diverse friends.</p>