<p>If America was founded on Judeo-Christian values, just what are these values? </p>
<p>Democracy? No, that was concocted by pagan Greeks long before the invention of Christianity. </p>
<p>Respect for human rights and individual freedom? No, the church was always on the side of reactionaries and royalists in the European movements that fought for more just representation and responsible government. Religions in general aren't too keen on people thinking for themselves.</p>
<p>Separation of church and state? Yeah right!</p>
<p>Some people seem to think that the world was a dark and savage place until a blonde-haired and blue-eyed Jesus saved us all. Actually, the world was fine before, and there were great thinkers and philosophers from whom we derive our lofty principles today. Values such as fairness and equality are not the sole monopolized properties of any one religion, Christianity in particular. </p>
<p>Sadly, many of the people who would froth at the mouth because Obama said what he said aren't Christians at all. To them, Christianity is just a mix of racial identity (e.g. the White Jesus, the co-opting of a Middle Eastern religion into European culture) and national politics (who wudda thunk that gun ownership and gay marriage were part of the 10 Commandments?). </p>
<p>Notice how the Rev. Wright scandal did nothing to at least burnish Obama's Christian credentials for the dumbass brigade. A black liberal isn't a true Christian, you see. No, true Christians are of European origin, speak English, and vote Republican, just like Jesus.</p>
<p>And if so, did not he just set up a faith task force? I’d rather he say America is not a Christian nation + get rid of all of this religious crap that is still in the government.</p>
<p>However, apparently, in June 2007 he made a comment similar to this one, which was “Whatever we once were, we’re no longer a Christian nation. At least not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, and a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers” [Obama:</a> America is ‘no longer Christian’](<a href=“WorldNetDaily”>WorldNetDaily)</p>
<p>He is correct, but way too straightforward for a president, perhaps?</p>
<p>FINALLY a president that truly understands what seperation of church and state is supposed to mean and doesn’t fall for the nonsense that is right-wing political christianity. </p>
<p>I particularly hate when people say that America was founded on Christian principles because not only were many of the founding fathers Diests, not Christians, they were quite hostile towards Christianity.</p>
<p>*He is correct, but way too straightforward for a president, perhaps? *</p>
<p>I think its a good thing that Obama is being more straightforward than past presidents. It really ****es me off when there is a painfully obvious truth out there that politicians are afraid to just come out and say because they’re scared of offending the knuckle-dragging ignorant bigots…</p>
<p>"However, apparently, in June 2007 he made a comment similar to this one, which was “Whatever we once were, we’re no longer a Christian nation. At least not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, and a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers”'</p>
<p>I agree with him, and am glad to see finally a president who is inclusive and who apparently believes in the separation of church and state.</p>
<p>Considering the % of Christian population you guys have, I think he should have worded this softer. I can see an out-of-context “We’re no longer a Christian nation.” circulating the internet. Maybe should have been a tad more cautious, he is a politician, after all.</p>
<p>i think they’re probably just going to have to suck it up. it’s not like he finished that sentence with “…and it’s a damn good thing, because all christians are terrible people!” anyone offended by pluralism is a fool.</p>
<p>Most Christian Americans, I think, know that one of the founding bedrocks of their country is the freedom of religion. </p>
<p>The kind of people who don’t realize this probably get orgasms when they watch “Boondock Saints”. Religious policing is okay as long as it’s done by white Christians and not by dark-skinned Muslims.</p>
<p>I think it’s important to note also that freedom of religion goes hand in hand with freedom from religion. The latter part over the years has been slowly forgotten.</p>
<p>Article 11 of the “Treaty of Tripoli” states:</p>
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<p>It just shows that all those right-wing Christian nuts who believe otherwise know little about their country’s history (or just choose to ignore it).</p>
<p>I find it odd that this topic is where you decided to state this. I assume you think that a president who recognizes that there are other faiths in the US as well as those who have no faith might pose a threat to religious freedom. In practice, it’s the opposite. The countries with the most religious persecution (and persecution in general) are those with an established religion.</p>
<p>Even though we do not have a theocratic government, the vast majority of the United States is Christian. Turkey is secular, just like the US, but don’t we still call it a Muslim nation?</p>
<p>I am aware of what they consider themselves. I consider them having a secular republic government with a vast majority (98%+) of Muslim adherents; therefore it is a Muslim nation with a secular government.</p>
<p>Vast majority doesn’t mean all, and that’s what Obama is trying to emphasize. I don’t want to be called a part of ‘Christian nation’ if I am not Christian. I don’t want to be called a part of ‘Muslim nation’ just because I happened to belong to those 2%.</p>