Obama won - what does that mean for us heading to universities?

[jaimeastorga2000]

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What’s wrong with having high GPA’s? Last I checked, that was a good thing. And isn’t it BETTER for both our country and for the students that they are getting better grades?

If students are getting much better grades than before, where a C was average, then it must mean one (or more) of the following.</p>

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<li>The students are much smarter.</li>
<li>The teaching is much better.</li>
<li>The grades are much easier to get.</li>
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<p>I dunno about you, but I hardly think the intelligence of the population has raised much or that teaching methods have advanced. That leaves easier grades as our most likely culprit.</p>

<p>There are several reasons why grades are easier to get, and why this is bad; just google grade inflation and you will see a wide variety of papers and opinions on the subject.</p>

[Dr.Horse]

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Dr. Horse -</p>

<p>You’re so ideological. If you’re that bitter, then perhaps your party should have been fiscally responsible for the past 8 years. They weren’t and the people spoke. At least respect that.</p>

<p>I’m sure you realize that Clinton, a Democrat, ran the most fiscally responsible White House in decades. He was paying down the massive debt from Reagan / Bush I. Obama’s policies are aligned with Clinton’s. Don’t buy the Republican hype held over from the 1960s.</p>

<p>I’m also sure your realize that the GI Bill that paid for the education of soldiers after WWII laid a foundation for the emergence of a massive consumer middle class and is widely regarded as a cornerstone of the ensuing American prosperity and transition out of manufacturing.</p>

<p>I’m sure once you’re out of college you’ll appreciate it more. It’s not just about money. It’s about having a satisfying job. I would like to see a statistic citing your claim that blue collar workers make more than white.

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<p>I don’t follow any ideology, nor am I registered to or hold allegiance to any party. My voter registration card has no affiliation. I vote solely on non trivial issues in which I feel. through my research what will keep America running the longest. </p>

<p>I have repeated the same arguemnt so many times on this forum, and again I still have to repeat it.</p>

<p>I don’t realize that that Bill Clinton was fiscally responsible, he did give us a annual budget surplus in one of his latter term years, but still added 1.54 trillion to the national debt. In the same if Bush didn’t choose to increase the budget for 2009 he would have had a surplus also, one even greater then Clinton’s. In the Clinton era we saw massive government intervention and cronyism, which included many of the ideals that lead to our current economic problems. One exact one. is Clinton means of getting all Americans affordable housing. Im sure we can see the backlash of this now. I also should not forget to mention the business cycle recession that occurred in Clinton later years as president due to his economic choices.
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<p>A artificial middle class and one today that has no jobs, which again under Keynesian economic policies forces the business cycle. When Obama goes to Detroit. what does he tell workers? Oh yeah to bring back manufacturing jobs. I think you are confused on this issue. For the fundamentals of a economy to work properly, sectors need to be self maintaining, If you rip out a sector, or parts of it, things will go bad. We don’t have a manufacturing base anymore, due to artificial means to make us look artificially prosperous. Not everybody can have who collar jobs, but I guess you think they can.</p>

<p>I never went to college and I have already graduated from university, worked for a few years and I am now in graduate school. Everything is about money.</p>

<p>I always look at the bigger picture, as I never look at trivial issues. I cant remember a time when investments in the public good were actually good decisions. But hey maybe you are talking about our education system, or housing systems, or the massive number of other government funded programs which have all had horrendous backlashes on our way of life. There are two ways to sound economics, the first is to have money and allow that money to move freely as possible. the second is to have no money, but then there is also no freedom. These are the two choices, nothing in the middle works, and everything in the middle is subject to the business cycle(recessions, depressions)</p>

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<p>First of all, Dr. Horse, you said that “…8/10 students in the major has a ridiculously high gpa’s. In this I blame both the professors and the students.”</p>

<p>What’s wrong with having high GPA’s? Last I checked, that was a good thing. And isn’t it BETTER for both our country and for the students that they are getting better grades?</p>

<p>Also, you said, “Professors who teach 500 person classes, give back a test and half the students rush down and bombard him with questions. The other half goes to his office hours. grow up guys, accept the grades you get.”</p>

<p>I understand that nowadays, students are too worried about their grades and put too much importance on them and instead of actually learning, concentrate on the letter grade. However, just because they want to ask the teacher questions about a test after getting it back doesn’t make them immature. Rather, that makes them responsible, since they want to see what they got wrong and hopefully improve for the future.</p>

<p>Last thing you said, "Now we could have gotten a blue collar trade job, where at 18 you could have joined a union, became a apprentice and by the time you were 19 you would have</p>

<p>A high paying job, 60-120K a year + Overtime
Full pension
Full Health Insurance
Have a career in demand,."</p>

<p>How do you get a 120K job in one year? How do you even get a 60K job in one year? I don’t know exactly what you’re trying to say, but from what I gathered, you’re saying that if I join a union at 18, then by 19 I will have a job that pays from 60K-120K? How? After only one year of working, I don’t think that’s possible. But then again, I don’t have experience working, so I may be wrong.</p>

<p>Finally, AMom2: you’re not REQUIRED to do community service every year, and there is definitely a mention of the $4000. I quote directly from the siteAmerica Serves | Change.gov)</p>

<p>“Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free.”</p>

<p>For middle and high school students, there will be a GOAL of 50 hours, not necessarily a requirement. Also, it never says anything about 100 hours of community service being mandatory for college students. And at the end, it says IF they do 100 hours, they’ll get $4,000.</p>

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<p>if to many people have very high gpa’s then the class is to easy and students are not being challenged. Thats whats wrong with it. if a class of 50 students all get grades between 90-100, those with 100’s should get A’s and those with 90’s should get F’s. But such a event should never happen unless the test is to easy.</p>

<p>The students who rush down, may be responsible, but responsible in the wrong way or for the wrong reasons. They rush down in hopes of getting a higher grade, they want to suck up to the teacher. They could care less about learning the material, to them the way of being responsible is to ensure high grades. They don’t go up in the means of asking a question about the subject material for learning purposes, the only reason they do it is for grades. which is wrong.</p>

<p>as for the blue collar workers, At least in NYC the average starting pay for these trades men is around 60K a year. You rarly see 120K in one year but it is possible. Ive seen as high as 110K for for being a electrician on the new Yankee stadium.</p>

<p>In thos country, due to everybody wanting the better jobs, nobody wants to then do the blue collar ones and thus there is simply more demand for the trades then there is for students who come from academia.</p>

[tazmanian_devil]

<p>sure there are people who do things just for the grade, but there are a lot of people who actually care about learning the material. also, just because students concentrate on the grade doesnt mean they’re not learning the material.</p>