<p>since roughly one third of the students at oberlin are in the conservatory, wouldnt that significantly alter oberlins true statistics. I think the avg accepted gpa at oberlin is a 3.6, but is that lower then the true avg accepted gpa because of the conservatory students who dont need stellar grades to get in. And isnt it the same for SATs, and percentage of kids who graduated at top 10 % and so on?</p>
<p>Yes. It also alters the 4-year graduation rate, because double-degree students do a five-year program and conservatories generally have lower graduation rates.</p>
<p>The Conservatory has about 400 students out of 2800 total. That’s not anywhere near 1/3 of the students.</p>
<p>from the conservatory website:
The Conservatory has an enrollment of approximately 615 students - primarily undergraduate - from 45 U.S. states and 22 countries. Nearly 200 of those students are enrolled in the Double-Degree Program.
the 200 figure for double degree seems like a generous approximation - there are about 30 a year (last year there were 27; the year before that there were 24, but in 2007 there were 40…), but half or so don’t complete the 5 year program (some switch to one or the other; some finish in 4 years)</p>
<p>Don’t assume that just because conservatory students don’t need as high a GPA or test scores that many of those students don’t have them. There are many music students with excellent grades and test scores.</p>
<p>first of all the conservatory does not have 400 kids, i thought there was more? And i understand that there are alot of conservatory students with good grades. But whyen my counselor showed me the naviance for oberlin the accepted avg and sat scores was a 3.57 and like a 1380 from my school, but when we took out the conservatory students who got in the avg gpa was like a 3.7 and sat was like a 1430. I kno this is just a sample from my school but im asking the question how different would the avg accepted gpa and sat score be if you dont factor in the conservatory students.</p>
<p>the information is available at the institutional research website for oberlin, and shows that the SAT scores at the college are significantly higher on average than for the conservatory; but keep in mind that there are some conservatory students with some of the highest SAT scores, particularly in the double degree program.<br>
[Institutional</a> Research](<a href=“http://oberlin.edu/instres/irhome/]Institutional”>http://oberlin.edu/instres/irhome/)
And SAT scores and grades are limited measures at best.</p>
<p>Some Oberlin statistics are reported by division, and some are combined. You have to pay attention to what you’re looking at and where it comes from if you’re really concerned about separating out the two divisions. Generally, if they’re admissions statistics (like average gpas/SAT scores of the admitted class) being reported by the Arts & Sciences admissions office, they are just for the Arts & Sciences division. But, if you’re looking at those numbers from a third-party source, they might be using a combined statistic. Also, if the stats aren’t all from the same year, they’re likely to be slightly different. Some other statistics (like the graduation rate) are reported for the College & Con combined.</p>
<p>My point was the ratio. According to the electronic fact sheet, in the fall of 2009 there were 806 freshmen in the college and 140 in the conservatory of which 27 are double degrees. 140/806 is not close to 1/3. While the Con students may have lower stats, and I don’t know that they do, it’s unlikely that they drop the overall average by much.</p>
<p>In any case, the 600 number for the Conservatory includes those who stay 5 year and grad students. The actual freshman matriculations, excluding double degree programs, have been around 100 per year.</p>
<p>[Institutional</a> Research](<a href=“http://oberlin.edu/instres/irhome/]Institutional”>http://oberlin.edu/instres/irhome/)</p>
<p>also cus the average accepted gpa at Virginina tech is a 3.76, while oberlin is suppose to be a more selective school but its avg gpa is a 3.6?</p>
<p>Shmocolo, selectivity rankings are usually heavily based on the percentage of applicants accepted, gpa is not usually the primary factor. Since Virginia Tech’s acceptance rate is about twice Oberlin’s, they are considered to be less selective. Also, gpa stats can vary widely depending on the type of gpa reported–Oberlin, for instance, calculates an unweighted gpa of core academic classes. Not all schools calculate gpas the same way, which can also result in differences. If we included all classes taken by a student or used weighted gpas, our averages would be higher.</p>