<p>Wow, Mini, is the spread of scores at Smith really THAT wide? That's amazing. They must do an awesome job of really evaluating each candidate. I love the term "admissions value."</p>
<p>Yes, it really is that wide. (I actually know kids at both the top and the bottom of that range.)</p>
<p>since she says that the economics courses are too easy..</p>
<p>L; That may be a bit like the "too many Indonesians at IU" fact. Are you interested in Economics as a major? Have you thought about contacting the economics department at Emory? I am sure that if you need a more demanding Econ class, they would be able to supply one....</p>
<p>Cheers- my sis is taking economics as a major in Emory.. so she knows the economics department well.. and she does not suggest me to apply there since the courses are not quite demanding.. but she praise Emory's science department especially since they have their own hospital, etc.. </p>
<p>Carolyn - do you think there are some top universities that offer the same program like Emory (oxford college)?</p>
<p>Ledyana, No, Emory is the only "top" school that I know of that has such a program. </p>
<p>However, you need to know that most of the schools on your current list are probably not going to be any more academically demanding or rigorous than Emory. Places like Indiana, NYU, Illiniois, Occidental, etc. are all great schools but I suspect that you will find the difference between them and Emory to be very, very slight in terms of rigor and academic demands. Indeed, Emory is probably more academically demanding than most of them. USF is definitely not going to be even in the same league in terms of academic challenge as Emory. Do you and your sister have the same range of stats and acdemic preparation? Is it possible that you might find a school like Emory to be more challenging than your sister?</p>
<p>Perhaps she is just not pleased with Emory for other reasons (i.e., large classes, access to professors, etc.) Does she have any suggestions for schools in the US for you?</p>
<p>Ledyana - Wooster is not Jakarta, but I think it may be a good choice for you. Just about any U.S. college environment is going to be a big change from your home city. Wooster does a very good job of working with individual students - challenging them at whatever level they are at. For its level of selectivity, the academics are very good. And who knows, you may find small town America very enjoyable.</p>
<p>As for selectivity at Carleton and Macalester, I'd say it is pretty even. Historically Carleton has been more selective but that gap has all but disappeared in the past few years.</p>
<p>I have talked with my counselor today, and he suggests that I apply to the honor program.. e.g. the wisconsin-madison honor program, etc.. to get the reputation that I want and also the liberal arts feel since classes are smaller.. He thinks that wisconsin-madison, michigan, michigan state, penn state, and indiana are good choices with my stats.. is this choice good?</p>
<p>In addition, he praise Beloit College really highly (I throw out this school for wooster..) should I change it again? how is the city of Wooster compared to Beloit?</p>
<p>Carolyn for the Emory Oxford's college, is it possible to transfer to Emory's business school after graduating there for 2 years? Is it possible to transfer to another university?</p>
<p>My sister has a stats that is much2 better than mine.. her GPA is almost perfect UW and above 4.5 W.. but her sat is lower than mine.. but knowing my stats.. she still does not recommend Emory to me :(</p>
<p>Carolyn, do you think I am qualified for some aid in Oxford College? thanks</p>
<p>I have research about the honors program.. but it is quite hard to get in.. e.g the average student who got in the wisconsin honor program has about 3.9 GPA.. is this 3.9 GPA W or UW?</p>
<p>Ledyana, One warning: Both U of Michigan and U of Wisconsin are on rolling admissions. They started taking applications in September and review them as they come in, accepting students as they come in. For this reason, your chances of being accepted go down the longer you wait to apply. With your stats, I'd say you need to apply as quickly as possible to have a good chance of acceptance, let alone into the honors programs.</p>
<p>I'd say you should also write to Oxford and ask them about international aid directly.</p>
<p>I am not sure about the U of Wisc. honors program GPA - best bet would be to email their admissions office and ask directly. However, the offices will most likely be closed from Thursday-Sunday this week because of the Thanksgiving weekend.</p>
<p>From what I understand from various sources, the town of Beloit is an old industrial town - not particularly attractive. I've heard differing views on the level of crime in the area. It is about two hours drive from Chicago and the airports there. Wooster is much closer to a major airport if that is a concern. Wooster is also much more of a "small town". Reid - if I recall, you have been to both Wooster and Belot - could you compare the two for Ledyana? Cheers, do you have any information on Beloit?</p>
<p>Beloit does have a large international student population and has a reputation on par with Wooster. I believe the number of international students is the same at both schools. Wooster is slightly larger (1800 students vs. 1200) I do not know specifically about the Economics program however. One advantage Wooster has over Beloit is that they require all students to complete an intensive research project in order to graduate - a nice plus in terms of academic rigor and also in terms of graduate school admissions.</p>
<p>thanks Carolyn for the information about Beloit.. knowing that I think I prefer wooster over Beloit.. My counselor says that between Lawrence and Beloit, he prefers Beloit more because the of the students there.. but I think I will choose wooster..</p>
<p>Ok now my new list (but not complete):</p>
<p>New York University - Super Reach
Emory University (Oxford) - Reach
Case Western Reserve University - Reach
U Wisconsin Madison - Target
College of Wooster - Target
Ohio Wesleyan University - Target</p>
<p>btw I am going to apply as soon as possible to wisconsin (maybe this friday/next week monday).. it is just that I need the financial statement from the bank.. n last week the banks were not opened because of the holiday.. I am going to research more and apply to 2 other universities..</p>
<p>Carolyn from the Oxford's website, I have seen the colleges courses and there are only about 5 courses in economics + 2 courses in businses. Is it possible for students in the Oxford college to take courses in the Emory's liberal arts school? Thanks for the help!</p>
<p>Ledyana, I'd email the Oxford admissions office to ask that question. It's my understanding that the Oxford campus itself is about 40 minutes from the main Emory campus. I think there is a shuttle bus. I might be wrong but I recall that The emphasis at Oxford is on completing the general education requirements of Emory so that when you get to the main university you basically concentrate on your major for the last two years. Again, the admissions office should be able to clarify this for you better than I can. </p>
<p>I think you have an excellent list now - don't keep second-guessing yourself, just get those applications in. You will end up where you are supposed to be and all of the schools on your list are excellent schools. Keep us up to date on your progress and GOOD LUCK!!!</p>
<p>Thank you for the help Carolyn.. I will send my transcript, recommendations, as soon as possible.. can I just ask a couple more questions? I think I will be applying to a safety school in Canada rather than in the US.. should I add more reaches / targets to my American University list? Do you think I have made the right choice to throw out Occidental College? Thanks alot for the help!</p>
<p>Hmm..does Occidental have full-ride scholarships? What's the highest-priced scholarship? I looked at the website, but I want to make sure.</p>
<p>Both Wooster and Beloit are very good schools. The city of Beloit is more urban than Wooster - think small city vs big town. Beloit has a few more independent, quirky students than Wooster. Beloit is about as far from Milwaukee as Wooster is from Cleveland, and about as far from Chicago as Wooster is from Columbus. </p>
<p>I like both schools, and I like Lawrence too, which is more like Wooster than Beloit and has a music conservatory. All three would be nice additions to your list, though I would try to figure out which of the three would be most likely to give the best aid to international students and put it on the list for sure.</p>
<p>Thanks alot reidm for the information about the three colleges! I think both Beloit and Wooster really gives big aid for international.. (and I heard Lawrence too)... but I think I will just put Wooster in my list because of the independent program (research with the professor).. also Wooster is nearer to the airport so my parents will visit me more easily.. I read from the Fiske guide to colleges, students in Beloit likes to party and are too liberal .. I dont know much about Lawrence.. and I think I am going to research about it..</p>
<p>My older son looked at and really liked Lawrence. The city is small but there are very good internship opportunities. There is an airport in Appleton, nice for people having to travel far. There is a pretty high % of international kids. OUr tour guide was Taiwanese, had gone to school in Germany and was studying economics. The school also has a music conservatory. We loved the campus which is fresh, spacious and nicely situated on a river. The students we met were bright, engaged, happy to be at Lawrence. I didn;t see Beloit or Wooster, so I can't compare them..</p>
<p>thx for the info about Lawrence robyrm.. I have read in the fiske guide and studentsreview and both give positive comment on Lawrence.. However, I was quite concerned with the information in the princetonreview.. "although many also say that internationals tend to keep to themselves. Students also report that "conservatory students do not interact much with the other students." (Princetonreview) Is this true?</p>
<p>Ledyana - I think you need to ask STUDENTS some of these questions. Here's how: go to <a href="http://www.livejournal.com%5B/url%5D">www.livejournal.com</a>. Do an "interest search" for Beloit College, Lawrence University, and the College of Wooster. All three have live journals where CURRENT students post and discuss what is going on on campus. Looking at all three, there are questions from prospective students that current students have asked in the past - post your questions THERE (you will have to register with live journal to do this). And, read through the archives of the journals for each college - you'll get a very very good idea of what life is like on campus that way. I'd also suggest you go to each schools web site and do a search for "student newspaper" - all three are available on line - read back issues and again you will start to get a sense of what living on campus is like at each school. I think this is probably the best way to get specific answers to your questions from people who know - guidebooks and people who have only visited once or twice aren't going to be able to give you as much detailed information about specific questions as actual students. Good luck!!!</p>
<p>I can't really say. They have the best admisssions office that we have dealt with. I would suggest, if you are interested, you get the name of an international student from them to correspond with and ask- As for the conservatory kids- not sure. The girl we met was double majoring in and outside the conservatory, so she was not typical. It is a small campus with a very warm and community feeling. It would be hard for kids to not interact!!</p>