<p>California 1600 posted this stuff on Stanford's message board...thought some current Dmouth prospees or students might want to have a say about it. </p>
<p>"USC is considered to be a much better school worldwide than Brown. Ivy league status is becoming a crutch to American education. The rest of the world fortunately knows better. </p>
<p>Umm... dood. Most people in the world think that Brown is the color of the toilet water. I doubt that anyone in Europe or Asia even heard of schools like Brown and Dartmouth. </p>
<p>Brown and Dartmouth are riding on the heels of excellence of Harvard and Yale. Bottom line. To be cut off from this would not only force Brown to reevaluate themselves, but also to strive for a real push towards true academic excellence.</p>
<p>Case in point. Browns and Dartmouth's faculty do not make the top ten rated departments hardly at all. Their programs really do suck. It is the right of every hiring manager to know the true academic quality of their students. Are u saying that this right should be denied?"</p>
<p>On a later post...</p>
<p>"Ask any Brown, Dartmouth graduate what is the best about their school. They will inevitably say " Oh the Ivy League pedigree". Oh my gawd is what I am thinking at that point. Having seen UC Irvine students that impress me more on average than Brown students, it seems silly to cling to this "Ivy League status makes me superior" and then claim that it doesn't really matter."</p>
<p>This is the response I gave on the other board:</p>
<p>"Ask any Brown, Dartmouth graduate what is the best about their school. They will inevitably say ' Oh the Ivy League pedigree'."</p>
<p>Ummm...no. That's ridiculous. People go to those schools for lots of reasons. Dartmouth has the D-plan, which makes for amazing study abroad opportunities, and some of the best language, science, and history departments in the country. Brown has an open curriculum (no general ed requirements) and a very diverse student body. Different things appeal to different people. What's your beef with Brown and Dartmouth? </p>
<p>As a California native and a Dartmouth undergrad, I can say that prestige whoring has nothing to do with 99 percent of students' decisions to come here. First of all, Ivy League or not, a lot of people haven't heard of Dartmouth. I got into Berkeley, and going there would have impressed more people in California, because more people in the state have heard of it and know its prestige. I've been asked MANY times by Californians, "Dartmouth? Where's that?" which is their polite way of saying "I've never heard of that school in my life." I simply tell them it's in New Hampshire and that I'm having an amazing experience there. Prestige really doesn't matter; it's about finding a school that's a fit for you. NO ONE that goes here would say that the best thing about Dartmouth is it's Ivy League pedigree. Most people would probably mention the school's close-knit student body, strong undergrad focus, or amazing social scene. Why the need to belittle schools you obviously know so little about?</p>
<p>I'm not at all sure why you're posting this or what you're trying to say because you seem to contradict yourself several times, but...</p>
<p>"Ask any Brown, Dartmouth graduate what is the best about their school. They will inevitably say ' Oh the Ivy League pedigree'." </p>
<p>I don't think that's true at all. Brown and Dartmouth are fantastic schools and would without a doubt stand on their own merit if they weren't part of the Ivy League. In fact, they'd probably even do better because they wouldn't be constantly compared to HYP.</p>
<p>Its not that big of a deal. California1600 is just pointing out that he believes the Ivy League is overhyped. Many many people on this site have strong opinions. If you think about it, this is probably surprising to many because no one ever dares say anything bad about the precious Ivy League. Imagine how the people from UCLA, Cal, and Michigan must feel? These schools are the victims of attacks way more than any other school out there. No one can say anything good about any of those schools without someone saying how "bad" they are. It has been this way since I have been a member of CC. I find these things "offensive" but this site would be much more boring if these people were not here. I have learned a lot from certain people who speak their minds even if it is not what I want to hear. If any of you dont like what he said, try to tackle him head on. Show everyone why these schools are not as bad as he says.</p>
<p>That idiot also posted some very offensive post about how Asians are making it more difficult for everyone to get into college, and that because of them the SATs will be made harder. I was offended by it- and I'm not even Asian! The guy's an idiot and just enjoys posting inflammatory and often dead-wrong things on here.</p>
That idiot also posted some very offensive post about how Asians are making it more difficult for everyone to get into college, and that because of them the SATs will be made harder. I was offended by it- and I'm not even Asian! The guy's an idiot and just enjoys posting inflammatory and often dead-wrong things on here.
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<p>God forbid a minority should make it good in this country. Sheesh how backwoods could someone get to post a crack about Asian-Americans like that. I'm white, but I don't find myself superior so that I'd say a specific race is making things difficult.</p>
<p>BABY-BOOMERS MAKE ADMISSIONS DIFFICULT! SMARTER KIDS MAKE ADMISSIONS MORE DIFFICULT!</p>
<p>"Hey, California1600...when I get out of school and start off in an investment banking firm at 120K a year with my nice IVY LEAGUE degree, I'll be sure to honor your UC Irvine degree with a nice position in the janitor department...maybe I'll even pay you a hundred bucks to pop my collar. I'll be sure to drive off with your girlfriend with my BMW 330Ci, buy her so many nine dollar drinks that she can't stand up, take a bunch of liberties with her, and then dump her on your front porch the next morning. Don't like it? Take it up with me...me and my frat buddies will set you straight. I bet you went to public school...</p>
<p>Oh wait a second, now I remember...YOU'RE the one being the jealous prestige wh0re...tell me did you actually apply to Dartmouth? If so, give me your address and I will personally mail you a check for the amount of your application fee. It's such a pity when people throw their money away applying somewhere where they have no chance of getting in. It's just more of a shame when they take out their rage by trying to belittle the schools...It just fascinates me that you have to resort to name-calling. What are you, a kindergartener or a high school senior? I mean, I understand you're jealous of Ivy Leaguers because of your pathetic inferiority complex that when we graduate we're going to be your bosses, but I mean, come on...</p>
<p>Tool..."</p>
<p>I'm sick of college-bashing by juvenile misfits. How about you prove that you're worth something before you go knocking on other people?</p>
That idiot also posted some very offensive post about how Asians are making it more difficult for everyone to get into college, and that because of them the SATs will be made harder. I was offended by it- and I'm not even Asian! The guy's an idiot and just enjoys posting inflammatory and often dead-wrong things on here
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<p>Lol, I'm not going to comment about the first post, but I am Asian (well, half...) and I take this one as a compliment! Seriously, I'd be flattered if they made the SATs more difficult because I did so well on them.</p>
<p>Yeah...he obviously knows better than Dartmouth students do how preppy and contemptuous we Ivy Leaguers are and how much we like to hide behind our entitlement...I figured I would oblige him.</p>
<p>Well, for the people who were offended by something I said, I just wanted to say that perceptually, I am limited in my ability to see myself in the third person. I did not mean to come off as arrogant, rude, or crass. For offending people unknowingly, I sincerely apologize.</p>
<p>Perceptually, you are limited in your ability to hide your obnoxious idiocy.</p>
<p>This moron's been posting things that he knows are just going to make everyone mad in every forum. What's the matter? Too stupid get into an Ivy? Have nothing better to do with your life because you have no friends?</p>
<p>You have to be kidding, apologizing. You knew before you posted it that you'd be hated for it. You have enough experience being hated.</p>
<p>I got into UPenn and Cornell. I chose to attend a top ranked UC instead. </p>
<p>Frankly, if so many ivy leaguers weren't so arrogant in real life, none of this would be happening. So to blame me would be to remain ignorant of the real problem. BTW, your punchline lacked punch.</p>
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<p>There are certainly a few arrogant Ivy Leaguers...but they are in a minority. There appear to be a few arrogant UCers, as well.</p>
<p>Please do not try to blame your offenses on a stereotype. I think you might be "ignorant of the real problem." </p>
<p>I'm applying to an Ivy League school, but I hadn't even considered an Ivy until this summer...it certainly wasn't the "Ivy" label that convinced me to apply...it was the school itself.</p>
<p>OK. I just wanted for Dartmouth to improve its own departments. Trying to help out a fellow American university in light of all these international schools ranking very high nowadays. I guess perhaps I just shouldn't care.</p>