<p>GoIrish- very sorry to hear your news. </p>
<p>Brandon's Mom- your son has stellar stats- surprising that he was not accepted. Perhaps the guidance counselor can shed some light on "why"- disregard this if you already checked into that, I haven't read all the posts. </p>
<p>I have been pulling for all ND CCers to hear good news.</p>
<p>Decision:ACCEPTED</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: M 730, CR 700, W 680
[</em>] SAT IIs: Math Lv. 2 750, US History 720, Spanish Reading 570
[<em>] ACT: 34
[</em>] GPA: 4.0 UW/4.7 W
[<em>] Rank: 2/115
[</em>] Other stats: Varsity Swim Team Captain, National Merit Finalist, Speech/Drama Team State Champion, Class President, Student Council Vice President, Catholic Forensic League Grand National Qualifier, National Forensic League National Qualifier, KY Governor's Scholar, School Newspaper Editor, various local academic awards
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[<em>] Essays: Pretty good, family-oriented, which I heard ND likes.
[</em>] Teacher Recs: Phenomenal
[<em>] Counselor Rec: Terrible, at one point he referred to me as a 'she.' I'm a male, btw.
[</em>] Hook (if any): Dunno
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: Kentucky
[</em>] School Type: Fairly competitive public school
[<em>] Ethnicity: White
[</em>] Gender: Male
[<em>] major strength/weakness: High GPA, ACT, catholic/low on volunteer hours.
[</em>] why you think you were accepted/rejected/defered: I was a pretty good applicant, I guess...
[li] going to attend? No. It was a tough decision, but I was accepted at UVA in their highly competitive architecture program, which is really my dream school. And ND is too much money.[/li][/ul]Other Factors:</p>
<p>Irish, I didn't say that legacy doesn't help. There is clearly a preference for legacies. What I did say was that with someone like Brandon, legacy didn't matter. The kid's got perfect SATs, which is better than 99.9% of the applicants, legacy or not. My point is that there is some reason why admissions decided not to accept him, and that reason has nothing to do with legacies getting accepted.</p>
<p>Anyway, I hope that kids like Brandon or GoIrish have an opportunity to get an ND degree, either by getting off the waitlist, or by transferring. IMO, ND should be partial to the kids who in their hearts most want to go there. Instead, you aren't allowed to even express interest in the school in your essay. This results in alot of kids admitted who would be just as happy at an Ivy but who bump a kid who's wanted to be at ND their entire life.</p>
<p>I am hearing about legacies who did not get accepted here in the northeast. It was an extrememly competitive year. But I think if Brandon really wants to attend ND, I wouldn't write ND off. As has been stated, perhaps he will be accepted off the waitlist (let them know you are interested) or as a transfer. I know many students who ultimately did transfer to their first choice school and are very happy.</p>
<p>Decision: Accepted!!!</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 2140, 680v 790m 670w
[</em>] SAT IIs: 790 Math II, 740 Bio, 730 US History
[<em>] ACT: 33
[</em>] GPA: 4.58 weighted, 3.48 unweighted
[<em>] Rank: no rank but probably around top 10%
[</em>] Other stats: 10 APs by graduation, with 4's and 5's on all of them so far
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[<em>] Essays: after reading them again yesterday, they were actually really really bad
[</em>] Teacher Recs: didn't see
[<em>] Counselor Rec: didn't see
[</em>] Hook (if any): asian?
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: IL
[</em>] School Type: top public magnet school in chicago
[<em>] Ethnicity: Asian
[</em>] Gender: Female
[<em>] major strength/weakness: amazing extracurriculars. was captain of my tennis team, Student Council VP, District Student Council VP, NHS Historian, varsity debater, managed two events that garnered $4,000 in revenue for the school, + other things too..., but bad GPA
[</em>] why you think you were accepted/rejected/deferred: extracurriculars showed i was really involved in everything!
[li] going to attend? likely, I LOVE ND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/li][/ul][ b]Other Factors:**</p>
<p>*Decision:Accepted as ND Scholar *</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 2330: 800 M and W, 730 CR
[</em>] SAT IIs: 800s on Math 2, Chem, Bio
[<em>] ACT:
[</em>] GPA: 4.0 UW/4.67 W
[<em>] Rank: 4/500
[</em>] Other stats:
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[<em>] Essays: Good, I thought, but who knows
[</em>] Teacher Recs: Amazing, "best in career"
[<em>] Counselor Rec: Good
[</em>] Hook (if any): None, just another white male going into sciences</p>
<p>[/ul]Location/Person:[list]</p>
<p>[<em>] State or Country: CA
[</em>] School Type: Public (2000+ kids)
[<em>] Ethnicity: White
[</em>] Gender: Male
[<em>] major strength/weakness: Strengths: SATs, grades, recs. Weaknesses: not Catholic, not a legacy
[</em>] why you think you were accepted/rejected/deferred: Good scores, I have really challenged myself the most I could have for high school
[*] going to attend? Who knows. I haven't gotten a financial aid package yet, so that will be a deciding factor. I've gotten in to some other great schools, but I would still really like to go to ND next year. Hopefully the FA office will be willing to work with me on aid, especially if I'm an ND Scholar.</p>
<p>Decision:ACCEPTED!</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT:1950 M:650 WR:650 CR:650
[</em>] SAT IIs:n/a
[<em>] ACT: 29
[</em>] GPA:3.6
[<em>] Rank:top 20%
[</em>] Other stats:
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[<em>] Essays:wrote about time volunteering for a camp for cancer patients
[</em>] Teacher Recs:Fairly Good
[<em>] Counselor Rec:got principal to write it
[</em>] Hook (if any): African American, legacy
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country:TX
[</em>] School Type: rural 4000 students
[<em>] Ethnicity:AA
[</em>] Gender:male
[<em>] major strength/weakness:hooks,essay/ SAT GPA
[</em>] why you think you were accepted/rejected/defered:hooks, ec's, and essays
[li] going to attend? Oh YEAH!![/li][/ul]Other Factors:</p>
<p>accepted.</p>
<p>honestly.. i have no idea how i got into this school.</p>
<p>[ b]Stats:[ /b][ list]
[ *] SAT: maybe 19.. something. i dont even remember
[ *] SAT IIs: --
[ *] ACT: 28
[ *] GPA: 4.8 weighted maybe?
[ *] Rank: 30/900ish
[ *] Other stats: idk</p>
<p>[ /list][ b]Subjective:[ /b][ list]
[ *] Essays: pretty good
[ *] Teacher Recs: excellent
[ *] Counselor Rec: excellent
[ *] Hook (if any): none</p>
<p>[ /list][ b]Location/Person:[ /b][ list]
[ *] State or Country: illinois, usa
[ *] School Type: public
[ *] Ethnicity: asian
[ *] Gender: F
[ *] major strength/weakness: um.. i'm not sure.
[ *] why you think you were accepted/rejected/defered: i have no clue. maybe my essay?
[ *] going to attend? most likely. i was wait listed for washu.. so i'll see.</p>
<p>[ /list][ b]Other Factors:[ /b] i had a lot of credentials.. for activities such as wind symphony.. sports.. and extra classes i took out of school since 6th grade.. like saturday college and summer school every summer.</p>
<p>I'm not catholic. actually i'm not affiliated with any religion at all, so i was wondering how well i would fit in in notre dame. i know you have a to take a few religious classes, which will be sort of awkward for me.. but i was wonder if i will really stick out -being part of a minority that isnt catholic???</p>
<p>You have to take theology, not religious classes in the sense of Catholic indoctrination. Theology classes have professors with all sorts of different beliefs.</p>
<p>okay i've been meaning to put this up for a while but i am still shocked after reading those good top grade students get rejected or waitlisted..
but here are my crap stats lol</p>
<p>*Decision: ACCEPTED! *</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: CR: 570 Math 650 Writing 530 <-- :o
[</em>] SAT IIs: Chem 640 Bio-E 590 Math2 650 <-- :o lol
[<em>] ACT: 28 <-- :o
[</em>] GPA: 3.79 <-- :o
[<em>] Rank: 25/318
[</em>] Other stats:
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[<em>] Essays: deeply passionate and intuitive. spent alot of time on it
[</em>] Teacher Recs: strong-very strong? i had the top teacher at my school do it for me.
[<em>] Counselor Rec: strong- very strong? she wrote about my choice of rigorous classes
[</em>] Hook (if any): URM, first gen, Oregon? lol poor? hell would i kno. stroke of luck from heaven compared to the other applicants. Roman catholic?
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: Portland, OR USA
[</em>] School Type: Benson Polytechnic Highschool, #1 magnet school available in portland. or in oregon in general i suppose.
[<em>] Ethnicity: viet
[</em>] Gender: Male
[li] major strength/weakness: URM. i think. weakness is definetely my stats. another possibility is my Ec's.. [/li]i interned at OHSU in the Anesthesiology department, Kaiser permenante interstate, Dr. Starr's comprehensive dentistry in junior year,
played tennis frosh year, MVP JV year
won 4 awards at state HOSA leadership conference competitions *critical problem solving, medical terminology etc..,
took an 8-hour ER shift at LEgacy emmanuel emergency room,<br>
part of a Lion dance group that is well known in Portland (Viet Hung lion dance),
played intercity basketball league (portland vs seattle asian team leagues) for three years,
NHS member,
HOSA member,
Worked at the golf course soph-junior year then worked at Abercrombie and fitch for like 5 months and now i'm working at OHSU in the Patient food dept...
Volunteer monthly at the Blanchet house of Hospitality and other local homeless shelters.
Volunteered at the Grotto for 3 years straight during teh festival of lights.
Ignite mentor (orientates incoming freshmen)
Youthspirit church group
I've gone to sunday school (about 10 years) most of my life.. bible studies with vietnamese cultural studies..
altar server for 3 years..
volunteer at doernbecher for toy drive and ACS strides for breast cancer.?
Participated at OHSU in their science inquiry research class..</p>
<p>although it should be noted that i dont htink i put all of that in my application. i may have. dont remember.
i guess i did do alot..? but i had fun too! =) strong social life as well =P </p>
<p>[<em>] why you think you were accepted/rejected/defered: now that i wrote all that out.. my ec..? lol
[</em>] going to attend? if Finaid letter is a blessing. most definetely. or i can take the full ride scholarships for any oregon school... UP or OSU.
[/ul]Other Factors: i wasted about 14 minutes writing htis. lol</p>
<p>livelaughlove---I just sent you a private message, but see you are new to CC.
Look in the upper right hand corner of this page, and you will see PRIVATE MESSAGES UNREAD 1
click on that-----ok</p>
<p>Livelifelove...are you kidding? I mean, Im not some super serious student, but I know my SAT score...</p>
<p>Accepted</p>
<p>but will attend my #1 school, PENN.</p>
<p>(And you can view my stats profile if you care about that stuff.)</p>
<p>Congratulations to all the new acceptances!</p>
<p>Decision: Accepted</p>
<p>Stats:</p>
<pre><code>* SAT: 1920, 680v 660m 580w (really really bad score)
* SAT IIs: 560 Math II, 570 Chem, 700 Lit
* ACT: n/a
* GPA: app. 3.9 (i'm not really sure anymore)
* Rank: 6 out of 96
* Other stats: IB diploma candidate, high projections on everything except chem, scored 6 on anticipated IB chinese SL
</code></pre>
<p>Subjective:</p>
<pre><code>* Essays: wrote about helping my dad with his vision
* Teacher Recs: we aren't supposed to see those
* Counselor Rec: this too
* Hook (if any): asian, roman catholic
</code></pre>
<p>Location/Person:</p>
<pre><code>* State or Country: Philippines
* School Type: Christian international school
* Ethnicity: Filipino-Chinese
* Gender: female
* major strength/weakness: i'm not really sure... strength: well-rounded? i was on the school swimming team, was part of the drama club and MUN, senior council secretary, prom committee co-head, batch cheerleading team for 2 years in old school, involved with GK, used to be involved with Habitat for Humanity, VP of NHS, VP of a school charity, i've had work experience, i've been to various summer cultural and academic programs.... weakness: can be a little shy at first, once i get going though, i don't stop. lol.
why you think you were accepted/rejected/deferred: well-rounded? maybe?
going to attend? that depends entirely on my parents. mom's not too excited about sending me half-way across the world on my own. dad's all for it though. i think i'd feel right at home though.
</code></pre>
<p>[ b]Other Factors:** i suppose all the stuff i wrote in other stats should have gone here.</p>
<p>i can see why livelifelove doesn't know his SAT score... i have no idea what mine is and i am a "super serious student"!! i took both the act and sat first thing my jr year to see which i was better at then i figured out it was the act and took that 3 more times with much studying in between and never touched the sat again and i have no idea wat i got on it no sense in remembering such a terrible score lol so don't hate, sweetlax!!</p>
<p>Brandon's mom,</p>
<p>I heard that universities waitlist students who they think will not enroll. They have to protect their yield people say. ND probably thought that Brandon applied to the top schools and had a huge chance of being accepted into those schools. They probably thought those schools were his first choice?</p>
<p>I think he should call ND and tell them that ND is his first choice. Somebody wrote in another forum that a guy got rejected from somewhere, but had his councilor call the school and tell them that it was his first choice and would definitely enroll there. They reversed their decision. Perhaps that's also the case for Brandon?</p>
<p>Decision:Accepted, ND Scholar</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 780 M, 750 CR
[</em>] SAT IIs: 770 Math IIC, 740 US History, 730 Bio M
[<em>] ACT: -
[</em>] GPA: 4.0 Unweighted. W-?
[<em>] Rank: 2/387
[</em>] Other stats:
All-state, all-region, all-area cross country distinctions.<br>
Other winter/spring track awards
NHS VP
Helped Start peer tutoring at school
Class Secretary
Newspaper Editor
Public Speaking Awards</p>
<p>[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[<em>] Essays: Used Inspirational Person, I thought it was my best work and had good style, but then again, it could have been terrible to ND.
[</em>] Teacher Recs: Did not read
[<em>] Counselor Rec: Did not read, do not see him that often
[</em>] Hook (if any):
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: NJ
[</em>] School Type: Public, Competitive among top tier students, after that * huge * drop off. (Probably a bad school profile)
[<em>] Ethnicity: Caucasian
[</em>] Gender: M
[<em>] major strength/weakness: High Test Scores, Athlete/ Nothing groundbreaking or distinctive
[</em>] why you think you were accepted/rejected/defered: Test Scores, Athlete
[li] going to attend? Probably[/li][/ul]</p>
<p>ACCEPTED</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 1440 - 2240 (Math 770, CR 670, Writing 800)
[</em>] SAT IIs: Math I 690, Math II 740, Biology M 730
[<em>] ACT: 31
[</em>] GPA: 4.0 unweighted, 4.63 weighted
[<em>] Rank: 1 / 70
[</em>] Other stats:
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[<em>] Essays: worked really hard on it, very unique
[</em>] Teacher Recs: didn't read
[<em>] Counselor Rec: pretty much listed everything I did, kinda generic
[</em>] Hook (if any): Filipino
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: FL
[</em>] School Type: parochial
[<em>] Ethnicity: Filipino
[</em>] Gender: male
[<em>] major strength/weakness:
[</em>] why you think you were accepted/rejected/defered:
[*] going to attend? No, too expensive and $0 aid [/ul]</p>
<p>Accepted</p>
<p>Stats:
SAT: n/a
SAT IIs: n/a
ACT: 26 (higher in some areas but that was the combined)
GPA: 3.8 (94%)
Rank: 5/23</p>
<p>Subjective
Essays: Inspirational person, passion
Teacher Recs: Must have been great but I didn't read it.
Counselor Rec: Ditto
Hook (if any): Athlete(still trying to walk on for soccer), Catholic, NOT legacy
State or Country: New Mexico
School Type: Parochial, less than 100 students
Ethnicity: Irish, Native American
Gender: female
major strength/weakness: Rural area, only 1 ap course (english) available
why you think you were accepted/rejected/defered: Grace of God
going to attend? Absolutely</p>
<p>Other Factors:
Small school, involved in everything, many hours of community service (although it wasn't required or to help get into college). Played 5 yrs. on boy's varsity soccer because there isn't a girl's team. Worked very hard to return to soccer after 2 knee surgeries. Traveled 4 hours 3 times a week to play soccer in the big city. Lots of community support and much prayer!
Go Irish!</p>