<p>dou hav a link toa chances thread of yours where i could see your eC's?</p>
<p>s'vrone, be sure to send them most recent grades, awards, and additional recommendations. Since Princeton's waiting list is unranked, showing interest increases your chances. Good luck!</p>
<p>There is more to an applicant than their SAT scores (perfect or otherwise)! Please, lollipop27, do not forget that college admissions considers an applicant's "personal" qualities as well as the numbers. Someone with a perfect score may be waitlisted or even rejected because, they may not seem to offer potential beyond high scores (as far as contributing to life and diversity at Princeton). ;)</p>
<p>Decision: Waitlisted</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 2270 (740, 800, 730)
[</em>] SAT IIs: 800math iic, 790 US His, 750 Bio-M
[<em>] GPA: 4.0 UW
[</em>] Rank: 1/517
[<em>] Other stats: 5 AP Calc AB, 6 IB Euro His (full IB)
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[</em>] Essays: i thought they were pretty good
[<em>] Teacher Recs: one amazing, one decent
[</em>] Counselor Rec: good
[<em>] Hook (if any): I guess not
[</em>] Applied early? no
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: KS
[</em>] School Type: Public
[<em>] Ethnicity: Asian
[</em>] Gender: Male
[/ul]Other Factors: Decent ECs..
General Comments: 3rd waitlist.. By the way, an URM from my school with less than 2000 SAT, barely top 10% grades, and no EC besides scholar's bowl got in. I'm not sure if it was any personality thing, b/c he is known as the most uptight and arrogant kid(who thinks he's smarter than anyone), and even the teachers get quite annoyed by him. He's bragging about all the colleges he's gotten into these days..</p>
<p>Rosenkavalier, I feel your pain man.</p>
<p>I hate AA too....</p>
<p>Hmm...</p>
<p>I am not bragging tomorrow at all. Everyone wants to know where I am going since I'm at the top of my class.</p>
<p>One thing I will never do is brag because I think I have an obligation to make the World a better place since I got into Princeton.</p>
<p>^we need more people like you in my town</p>
<p>Rosen. I disagree with AA to an extent too, but there might have been something else that got him accepted.</p>
<p>Anyways, I hope I get in because I'm a URM legacy with 2150 SAT, top 3% in a class of 448, have an insane courseload, good EC's, etc.</p>
<p>If I get in I won't brag simply because my friend really wants to get in and I don't think she will (because of statistics and her stats). It's really weird because at my school nobody wants to announce their acceptances since it will make others who were rejected sad.</p>
<p>Yeah, I do consider the possibility of something else that got him in, but for now I just don't see it. I know him fairly well. There's another person from my school who got into MIT, and basically everywhere else applied- also an URM. not so good SAT, out of top 10% GPA. At least this person is extremely nice(so probably had a good interview), and has tons of sports EC, so when this person got in, I was just pretty impressed, but after this person i talked about in above post got in to so many schools, I am starting to have questions about whether AA can help this much for some people (certainly not for every single URMs, since some URMs with crazy stats do get rejected sometimes). Rest of us(quite a few) at my school who applied to same/similar schools just went through some seriously depressing week.</p>
<p>Anyway, good luck. You do seem like a well qualified applicant and I hope you'd get into those schools you really want to go.</p>
<p>Decision: Waitlisted</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 2290 - 780 M / 730 CR / 780 W
[</em>] SAT IIs: 800 Math IIC / 780 Chemistry / 780 US History
[<em>] GPA: 4.2 W / 3.96 UW
[</em>] Rank: 1 / 241
[<em>] Other stats: 123 AMC
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[</em>] Essays: Pretty good; serious - funny
[<em>] Teacher Recs: Pretty good; one was all right, one said I was spectacular, one said I was the reason he didn't quit his job
[</em>] Counselor Rec: Not sure, probably great
[<em>] Hook (if any): None
[</em>] Applied early? No
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: MI
[</em>] School Type: Public
[<em>] Ethnicity: E. Indian (Asian)
[</em>] Gender: Male
[/ul]Other Factors: Student Body President, Hampshire College Summer Studies in Mathematics alumnus, honors math class at UMich (only high school student)
General Comments: damn, I really want to go, too; hopefully they take 99 kids off the waitlist, again. Congrats to everyone with an acceptance!</p>
<p>rejected..</p>
<p>I don't agree with AA insofar as it disregards the socio-economic conditions/background of an applicant. Overcoming sordid life conditions while growing up in Compton is entirely different from being just another middle-class suburban in Suburbia going to a good private or public HS. Such students, I believe, should be treated exactly the same way as non-URM students because they do not have to overcome major difficulties. Granted, African-Americans in general are prone to suffer from racism in one way or another more than white people (I think we all agree on that); it's just that when you live in perfectly "good" conditions and have access to a lot of academic and social resources, I don't feel like you should be given the huge admission advantage that most URMs are given regardless of their socio-economic status. Increasing diversity is important, but any given class at top colleges should remain a fair representation of the applicant pool - and I don't agree with "stealing" spots from overqualified applicants to give them to underqualified applicants who are Suburban URMs.</p>
<p>That said, I would be curious to know the number of African-Americans (and Hispanics for that matter) in the '09 and '10 classes. I would be even more curious to know how many of these come from perfectly "comfortable" families (in terms of income, job security, life standards, etc.).</p>
<p>I do agree with Malcom X when he says that "If you put a knife in my back six inches and pull it out three inches-That is not progress" (refering to African-Americans), but I prefer Lyndon Johnson's statement: "You do not take a person, who for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line of a race and then say 'you are free to compete with all the others,' and still believe that you have been completely fair."</p>
<p>However, when, for one reason or another, this handicap has been overcome (as is the case for a number of URMs and their families), there is NO reason to justify giving them a - rather large - headstart (despite their ethnicity).</p>
<p>sonar: why 99 (and no other number) students off the waiting list?</p>
<p>And you should also send them additional recs, up to date grades, etc to show them that you're interested.</p>
<p>** Decision: Waitlisted **</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 2340
[</em>] SAT IIs: 800/770/740
[<em>] GPA: 4.62
[</em>] Rank: 1/121
[<em>] Other stats: class president, several other clubs, national merit, aime, other awards
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[</em>] Essays: I wrote these in a really big hurry because I forgot that Princeton doesn't take the common app. I thought my common app ones were better.
[<em>] Teacher Recs: great
[</em>] Counselor Rec: great
[<em>] Hook (if any): ?
[</em>] Applied early? I changed my mind from applying ED to Princeton on November 1st (I did Harvard EA instead, and got in).
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: AL
[</em>] School Type: private/christian
[<em>] Ethnicity: white
[</em>] Gender: male
[/ul]*Other Factors: * fee waiver
*General Comments: * I went and checked our PO Box after school and found the waitlist letter from Princeton. Then I went home and checked our mailbox and found two acceptance packages from Harvard and Yale. So, really, I am glad that someone else that would likely choose Princeton got chosen over me. Good luck to everyone!</p>
<p>[ b]Decision: Rejected =(**</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 2150 (760M 680 V 710 W (12/12))
[</em>] SAT IIs: 780 math iic, 750 chem, 610 US hist (no prep, one sitting, sick that day and had to leave halfway through hist)
[<em>] GPA: 89 UW, 101 W
[</em>] Rank: 13/ 448
[<em>] Other stats: ???? Umm.. National Hispanic Recognized, 115 AMC 12 and 5 AIME, great interview though it doesn't matter (the dude cancelled the following interview to talk to me for an extra hour), legacy (first uncle was valedictorian)
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[</em>] Essays: I tried my best and I thought they were good for my mediocre literary ability. I played it semi-safe instead of my MIT essays where I went crazy =P and it worked. I talked about wanting to be a vet, astronaut, president, programmer, animator, mathematician, baseball player, etc (I was a little kid jumping from subject to subject) and I still am deciding cause I love too much =).
[<em>] Teacher Recs: One superb in terms of capability/effort/etc (math teacher was teacher of the year 8 years straight now for the city and gave me top few in career in all but 1 with a top few this year) and the other superb in terms of growth/effort/personality (english is my weakness... hard teacher with over half the class failing it every six weeks, and the highest average is an 88 from a state ready writing champ and i went from 70 to 77 to 84 in 1 semester)
[</em>] Counselor Rec: pimptastic? I saved her ass at relay for life by bbq'ing 30 lbs of meat and stuff.
[<em>] Hook (if any): URM legacy, full IB, insane courseload (7IB, 2AP), geography (south texas), reallllllllly interesting set of EC's and diverse interests (TKD instructor, Capoeira, Aikido, Violin, Art, Photoshop champ, UIL math, science, etc, computer builder, frequent tutorer)
[</em>] Applied early? No time due to school. I did all my apps first week of x-mas break and the second week went to c-team practice for state (we won sadly =( )
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: Texas (5 minutes from mexico)
[</em>] School Type: Public ~ 2000 students, but I go to a "side-school" that has 60 junior/senior in IB that is fed by 3 highschools with only top 10% students allowed to enroll. 100% pass rate with an average of 31 / 45 for the past 4 years.
[<em>] Ethnicity: Hispanic
[</em>] Gender: Male
[/ul]Other Factors:
General Comments:I didn't expect to get in and it didn't bother me one bit when I called. I hate waiting and was glad to finally know, but now it is down to MIT, Rice, and Cornell for me. I dunno which to go to and have no time for campus visits.</p>
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<p>And you should also send them additional recs, up to date grades, etc to show them that you're interested.
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<p>According to the letter, the highest number taken off the waitlist in the last 5 years was 99.</p>
<p>I got rejected and im an African American female who lives in the south with terrific stats.. Im living prof, amongst many other im sure, that just because your black doesnt automatically guarantee you an acceptance The adcoms are looking for students who had overcome adversity in every aspect of life not just racial but maybe economical. I understand that you all are disappointment in the turn out but try living in the lives of an AA in the south or try studying while living in a house with 4 young children all wanting your attention. These situations are very stressful and I applaud those who have overcome them and still do well. It is because these people dp so well in these situations that the adcomms believe that living in an amicable environment such as Princeton will help them prosper. Obviously to a certain degree it is unfair to others who are overqualified and got rejected but unfortunately thats life. I know that is not what most of you want to hear, and im sorry. Certainly if others who were previously admitted under the same circumstances had failed, they would have stopped but this is not the case. Anyway, I had to say something because some of your commits were a bit harsh but nonetheless I said what I had to say. Congrats to all of those who have been accepted. And to those poor souls like me eat chocolate it made me feel better (I think or I may be in shock).
Love you all.</p>
<p>Funny thing is that it honestly didn't phase me. I have the simple mentality that I can work myself to death at any college =) and I'm my own limitation in learning, not the college.</p>
<p>Decision: ACCEPTED!!!</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 2120; 730 Crit, 710 Math, 680 Write
[</em>] SAT IIs: Don't remember took them last year in the 700's for Math IIC, Literature and US History
[<em>] GPA: 3.96 (UW)
[</em>] Rank: Don't rank but in top 10 kids probably out of 400
[<em>] Other stats: All AP course load
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[</em>] Essays: Pretty Good, not sure only one person read them, I liked them
[<em>] Teacher Recs: Pretty sure they were outstanding (didn't read them) but my class participation is really a strong point of my academic characteristics
[</em>] Counselor Rec: Likes me a lot, he was able to communicate Princeton as my only number one choice
[<em>] Hook (if any): Grandpa went there (for what that's worth); I have done a ton of theater and sent in an audition video; a director I worked with sent in a letter; All of this fits into their art initiative so that probably helped
[</em>] Applied early? Yes and was deferred
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: Portland, Oregon (Not many kids apply from Oregon but 12 kids applied from my school...so i dunno?)
[</em>] School Type: Private, Jesuit
[<em>] Ethnicity: White
[</em>] Gender: Male
[/ul]Other Factors: I have tons of EC's (sports, leadership, tons of service, eagle scout) and school/community awards. Sent in an additional resume/activities list that was over 4 pages. My alumni interview went very well and he said he would give me the strongest recommendation possible. I also really tried to get to know my regional reader when he visited Portland by going to three of his presentations and keeping in contact with him as much as possible regarding application updates (esp. after I was deferred).
General Comments: I have no freakin' idea how I got in!!!! It is seriously all luck, I didn't get into Duke or Dartmouth but I got into Princeton and Penn?!?!?! My decision to go to Princeton was really easy and I have already sent in the card. I have wanted this since visiting in 7th grade (for my grandpa's reunion) I can't believe my dream and 6 year goal has been completed!!!</p>
<p>Congratulations!</p>