<p>I agree with Sephiroth226. Besides, JohnDoe and FeatherFlare are URMs and international (FeatherFlare's case) and they had excellent stats.</p>
<p>bookfreak89: Those people deserve to get in NO DOUBT AT ALL.....but others with lower stats/rank etc....PLEASE</p>
<p>I see your point, insecure101. This has become a very tense issue around CC. To avoid anymore arguments, I'll sit this one out. :D</p>
<p>Stats aren't everything. Words can not speak for what I've done, personally, and it was never for Princeton. However, I always had Princeton in the back of my mind. In fact, I am very glad Princeton as the "WHAT ELSE" form because I certainly used it to talk about a very important thing.</p>
<p>I don't believe in the URM argument anymore. In fact, books that say URM = IN aren't even accurate anymore.</p>
<p>I believe in a meritocracy. If you are a minority and your achievements best mine, congratulations. You deserve to beat me. If, however, you have not worked as I have worked, if you have not demonstrated that you are a human fireball of intelligence, diligence, and energy, then you do not deserve to get in. I agree with insecure. URM as a factor sends the wrong message.
One thing I cannot fathom is why minorities accept this treatment at all. I think it's demeaning. Take the National Merit/Achievement competition for example. To me, that says that the test designers thought so little of the abilities of minorities that felt they had to create a separate test to allow minorities to achieve. Does this not bother you? Do you like being treated as though you were a small child, requiring the hand of an adult to guide you across the street?
I am against racism in all its forms. When race is a factor, racism exists. I want the chance to be evaluated fairly based upon what I have done, not some cultural background I was born into. The people of this country have fought too long and too hard to descend back into that stinking cesspool which holds skin color above character, gender above mind, and falsehood above truth.</p>
<p>I agree with you.</p>
<p>Do you, however, believe that stats are exactly proportional to effort and intelligence?</p>
<p>Also, the separate merit awards are warranted for several reasons although I do agree they make us seem "weak."</p>
<p>i.e.
-Minorities tend to do worse because they often are living/studying in worse conditions.</p>
<p>i was rejected too. i dont care though. rice is gonna give me money to go there so screw princeton</p>
<p>Decision: Rejected</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 780 math/760 verbal (690 writing)
[</em>] SAT IIs: 800 math IIC, 800 chem, 800 Physics, 710 Spanish
[<em>] GPA: 3.98/4.00 UW, 4.7 W
[</em>] Rank: 3/600
[<em>] Other stats: National Merit Finalist, co-valedictorian
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[</em>] Essays: decent
[<em>] Teacher Recs: decent
[</em>] Counselor Rec: never read it, don't even know which one wrote it
[<em>] Hook (if any): nothing really, just some science and math awards
[</em>] Applied early? no
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: Ohio
[</em>] School Type: Large Public
[<em>] Ethnicity: White
[</em>] Gender: Male
[/ul]Other Factors:
My extracurriculars could have been a lot better
General Comments:</p>
<p>Sephiroth226, i am mexican to the fullest and have the highest weighted / unweighted avg at my school - it's 90% white. I never believe minorities are dumb</p>
<p>tiki barber went to UVA and is on fox and friends. he is awesome and very smart guy.</p>
<p>rejected, but no worries... I've got some great choices :)</p>
<p>Decision: Accepted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 2140 (740 CR, 710 W, 690 M)
[</em>] SAT IIs: 780 Bio M, 770 Math iic, 760 US History
[<em>] GPA: 4.3 (weighted)
[</em>] Rank: I'm not sure...haven't checked since last year...but it's definately high
[li] Other stats: National Merit, National Hispanic Scholar, President of French Honor Society, National Honor Society, Model UN, plenty of community service groups, church youth group, student tutoring program....and a lot more but I'm too lazy to post.</p>[/li]
<p>[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[<em>] Essays: Amazing
[</em>] Teacher Recs: Incredible
[<em>] Counselor Rec: Beats me but I bet it was great
[</em>] Hook (if any): Hispanic male from huge Illinois public (>3,000 students) and lots of EC's with plenty of leadership positions
[li] Applied Early: No</p>[/li]
<p>[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: Illinois
[</em>] School Type: Huge suburban public
[<em>] Ethnicity: Mexican-American
[</em>] Gender: M</p>
<p>[/ul]Other Factors: I have no idea
General Comments: I'm extremely excited to have gotten accepted. I am still debating between accepting Princeton's offer of admissions or declining it for Williams's admissions offer. I am just so confused! Any advice???????????????????????</p>
<p>I believe that affirmative action has greatly enhanced the representation of minority communities at elite American universities and this of course has led to many, many well-established political, medical, business, literary, artistic leaders who happen to be members of minorities.</p>
<p>Elite universities would not endorse affirmative action if it were not working to enhance diversity and dispel commonly-held misconceptions about racial issues in America.</p>
<p>In addition, I must ask those who argue against affirmative action what the alternative would be? The alternative would be modern-day France. The French educational system has ALWAYS opposed the implementation of affirmative action and as a result the large Arab minority is EXTREMELY under-represented. Without access to advanced college study, most Arabs lack the ability to earn college degrees. This in turn has resulted in very few Arab leaders in politics, medicine, art, literature, journalism and business. The Arab minority feels greatly disenfranchised and the brooding racial tension exploded in France a few months ago with the MASSIVE violent protests organized by economically oppressed Arab youths.</p>
<p>Without affirmative action, these displays of violent racial tensions might occur on the streets of Chicago, Los Angeles, or New York just as they did on the streets of Paris, Lyon and Marseille.</p>
<p>The alternative would be an economic based system. Being black or hispanic does not automatically make you dumber or poorer, which is the assumption of Affirmative Action.</p>
<p>Economic based system? I'm not too sure about what you are referring to. In any case, you still have not answered my post.</p>
<p>Affirmative action does not assume that hispanics and blacks are dumber. It merely allows colleges to accept or reject applicants based on how well they have used their resources. That's why plenty of applicants from adacemically inferior states (Montana, West Virginia, Iowa....) are admitted to colleges even though they have lower stats.</p>
<p>bgrill27 means to say that colleges should use an economic based system: as in income should be the basis for BIAS rather than race.</p>
<p>I answered your question fully. Affirmative Action is clearly a race-based system. I suggested that it be economic, or wealth/income based. </p>
<p>
[quote]
Economic based system? I'm not too sure about what you are referring to.
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</p>
<p>What else can "economic based" mean?</p>
<p>Decision: Rejected</p>
<p>Stats:[ul]
[<em>] SAT: 2330 (800M, 800CR, 730WR)
[</em>] SAT IIs: Bio-M - 800; Chem - 780; Math IIc - 780
[<em>] GPA: 3.79UW, 4.08UCW
[</em>] Rank:
[<em>] Other stats: AP National Scholar, National Merit Finalist
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[</em>] Essays: community service, research, gandhi, and comedy
[<em>] Teacher Recs: great
[</em>] Counselor Rec: great
[<em>] Hook (if any): Dupont Challenge Winner, Siemens Semifinalist, Intel Semifinalist, Prudential Spirit of Community Award
[</em>] Applied early? no
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: CA
[</em>] School Type: private, competitive
[<em>] Ethnicity: Indian-American
[</em>] Gender: Male
[/ul]Other Factors:
General Comments: I don't really give a ****. I got into Yale (first choice) and Stanford, so I'm really happy. Congrats to everyone who got in</p>
<p>By Indian-American, do you mean you trace your roots to the Indian subcontinent or do you mean Native American?</p>
<p>I'm not sure why one of these groups (Native Americans) receive a benefit while (descendents of) immigrants from India do not. Don't they both face racism? Seems like an economic-based AA program would be better. Also, when have hispanics faced institutionalized or legalized racism in America like African-Americans or the Japanese?</p>
<p>insecure, think about it, isn't that silly to use family income as a basis for admission?
afterall, why would colleges want to lose money for the sake of getting more poor ppl(remember, colleges do make some money off the admissions process which is important for their welfare)? I am international and yeah, most colleges do do a Need-Aware (as the Columbia admissions officers called it) admissions policy for internationals, where they factor your need, finicial aid, into the admissions process, however, what you're suggesting is a topsy turvy version of need-aware, where the bias is towards rich ppl. That's silly in 1) you lose out on the rich person's 40k per yr and 2) you might lose out on endowment from that said person. Yes colleges are suppose to be for the good of the public, hence non-profit, at least most of them, but they are still businesses that must always make ends meet or else how would they be able to spent money and educate ppl if by simply admitting ppl they lose money. Anyways, good luck to all of you who were rejected, don't give up hope! there's always that one special school out there for ya.</p>
<p>Congrats to all the RD accepttees, come to the pre-frosh wkend and we might meet and eat at Haven :)</p>
<p>ps, when is the pre-frosh wkend, anyone know for sure?</p>
<p>India, the place his parents probably emigrated from..... :)</p>
<p>Immigrants should have some sort of affirmative action.</p>