***Official Thread for 2020 BSMD applicants***

[Konohakatu]

@Nvidia20 @Vicky2019 thanks for the advice!

[kush22]

@Seabiscuit1938

I think NJMS results come out sometime around the first week of April. When I looked at the BSMD thread from last year, people got a call about NJMS decisions on April 1st, from what I remember.

We are anxiously waiting for it too. Looks like that’s the last program to announce. I can’t seem to get the number of students they admit on any of the feeder school’s website. Whatever data they have may not be updated. Do each feeder school have a set number of spots? What if a student is recommended by multiple feeder schools? I understand the student can choose where they can end up for UG but how does NJMS factor the number of spots in that case?

[srk2017]

@PPofEngrDr

@rk2017

@SpeedSkater

@Nvidia20

@scarlet20

This forum has been helpful many times over the last few months so turning to this forum again as we decide on the right fit college for traditional route.

DS has the following options with more or less the same cost of attendance except for UMich. We planned to visit the colleges before deciding but it is not possible in the current situation. So, any input will greatly help us to decide.

1. UMich
2. UCs (UC Berkley, UC Los Angeles, UC San Diego, UC Davis)
3. Case Western
4. Boston U
5. UPitt
6. Ohio State
7. UWisconsin Madison

DS attends a competitive school in CA. We have not had much success in finding the good opportunities for research or shadowing locally. We are hearing that UCs have the same issue as well so trying to figure out which college would work better to manage GPA as well to find the opportunities easily.

If it helps to know his stats,

3.9 UW/4.47 W
1560 SAT
35 ACT
800 Math2 & 800 Chem
APs until junior year
Calc BC, Stats, Comp Sci, Bio, World and US history (5)
Chem (4)

Congratulation to you son for getting into some very good colleges - Berkley is as difficult to get in as any I know, but grade deflation may be an issue for engineering.

UMich is well know as a pre-med friendly school with lots of research opportunities at both the UG and medical campus. Case, I think would be a nice smaller sized private university with research opportunities. UW is a nice campus but not exceptional for premed.

I would rank them as UMich, Case, UW, Ohio, Pitt.

For CA - UCLA, Berkley, SD, Davis

I read some where that UCLA sends more students to medical schools than any other University (closely followed by UMich). Too bad UIUC is not in your list very good pre-med.

Data from 2019

Undergraduate Institution “Total Applicants from the
Institution”
University of California-Los Angeles, Los Angeles, CA 1,014
University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 860
University of Texas at Austin, Austin, TX 816
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor, Ann Arbor, MI 796
University of California-Berkeley, Berkeley, CA 697
University of California-San Diego, La Jolla, CA 564
The Ohio State University Main Campus, Columbus, OH 562
Texas A & M University, College Station, TX 514
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, NC 510
University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison, WI 509
University of California-Davis, Davis, CA 474
University of Washington, Seattle, WA 446
Brigham Young University, Provo, UT 442
Rutgers University - New Brunswick, New Brunswick, NJ 441
University of Georgia, Athens, GA 440
Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 433
Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 428
University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 424
University of South Florida, Tampa, FL 407
Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI 383
Washington University in St. Louis, St. Louis, MO 370
University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 362
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 362
University of Maryland-College Park, College Park, MD 358
The University of Texas at Dallas, Richardson, TX 352
Emory University, Atlanta, GA 349
Duke University, Durham, NC 346
Louisiana St University and Agricultural and Mechanical Col, Baton Rouge, LA 345
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Champaign, IL 345
Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL 342
University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA 339
University of California-Irvine, Irvine, CA 338
University of Miami, Coral Gables, FL 337
Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ 336
Baylor University, Waco, TX 335
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 329
University of Central Florida, Orlando, FL 320
New York University, New York, NY 307
University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA 299
Brown University, Providence, RI 289
Harvard University, Cambridge, MA 283
Florida International University, Miami, FL 282
Boston University, Boston, MA 272
Penn State University Park, University Park, PA 270
University of Connecticut, Storrs, CT 270
University of South Carolina Columbia, Columbia, SC 264
Vanderbilt University, Nashville, TN 262
Stony Brook University, Stony Brook, NY 260
University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, IN 259
Indiana University-Bloomington, Bloomington, IN 253
Clemson University, Clemson, SC 248
University of Illinois at Chicago, Chicago, IL 245
University of Houston, Houston, TX 243
Northwestern University-Evanston, Evanston, IL 240
University of Toronto, Toronto, ON 240
University of Kentucky, Lexington, KY 234
University of Oklahoma Norman Campus, Norman, OK 231
Loyola University Chicago, Chicago, IL 230
Stanford University, Stanford, CA 223
University of California-Riverside, Riverside, CA 216
University of Colorado at Boulder, Boulder, CO 213
The University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 211
Texas Tech University-Lubbock, Lubbock, TX 206
University of Puerto Rico-Rio Piedras Campus, Rio Piedras, PR 206
University of Tennessee-Knoxville, Knoxville, TN 206
Wayne State University, Detroit, MI 202
Yale University, New Haven, CT 202
Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH 199
The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa, AL 198
Rice University, Houston, TX 196
Columbia University in the City of New York, New York, NY 194
Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, VA 194
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA 189
University of Kansas Main Campus, Lawrence, KS 187
University of Missouri-Columbia, Columbia, MO 187
University of Western Ontario, London, ON 187
Northeastern University, Boston, MA 184
University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 184
University of California-Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara, CA 182
State University of New York at Binghamton, Binghamton, NY 181
Tulane University, New Orleans, LA 180
Saint Louis University, St. Louis, MO 179
University of Mississippi, University, MS 176
Boston College, Chestnut Hill, MA 175
Florida Atlantic University-Boca Raton, Boca Raton, FL 170
University of Arkansas Main Campus, Fayetteville, AR 168
Auburn University, Auburn, AL 160
Tufts University, Medford, MA 160
Wake Forest University, Winston-Salem, NC 159
Creighton University, Omaha, NE 157
Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH 155
The University of Texas at San Antonio, San Antonio, TX 153
University of Chicago, Chicago, IL 153
Georgia State University, Atlanta, GA 150
University of New Mexico-Main Campus, Albuquerque, NM 150
College of William & Mary, Williamsburg, VA 149
Georgetown University, Washington, DC 147
George Washington University, Washington, DC 146
Miami University, Oxford, OH 146

This reminds me what I had read a few years ago (4-5), of the students going to one of the more popular Caribbean med schools from US, by universities they studied at, 4 of the top 5 were UCs. I think the 5th was NYU, not in that order. Don’t remember exactly, but almost sure UCLA students/alumni were the most. Then I think SD and Davis were there too, don’t remember the 4th one.

This also reminds me that 95% MDs are coming from traditional route.

Also reminder that all kids I know who went to Carribean or India to study medicine matched this year. Just like some Caribbean haters on SDN, we have traditional path haters here

Best is know your kid’s strengths and weaknesses and make decision based on that and ignore all the noises.

[mygrad2021]

I was looking at TCNJ/NJMS. I do not see any information about honors program for BS/MD students? If you’re selected for BS/MD, are you also by default admitted to their Honors program? Can someone give more details on this?

[rk2017]

@kush22

@Seabiscuit1938

I think NJMS results come out sometime around the first week of April. When I looked at the BSMD thread from last year, people got a call about NJMS decisions on April 1st, from what I remember.

We are anxiously waiting for it too. Looks like that’s the last program to announce. I can’t seem to get the number of students they admit on any of the feeder school’s website. Whatever data they have may not be updated. Do each feeder school have a set number of spots? What if a student is recommended by multiple feeder schools? I understand the student can choose where they can end up for UG but how does NJMS factor the number of spots in that case?

I think RB or BB or WashU will be the last ones to announce (all low to mid single digits in takes, so may not change much for most)…

Yes NJMS has different numbers of slots allotted based on feeders and uses ball park figures of enrollment for each of them from the past to get an approximate guesstimate numbers of total enrolled. If more students than expected enroll (as it happened at BU and Penn State in the past), they will adjust the number of candidates they will be interviewing in traditional route in the batch corresponding to this batch’s matriculation into med school.

Conversely if any of the students from the BS/MD route from any of the feeders want to leave the program early for any reason(s) the cut off for notifying them is early junior year and they will increase the pool for traditional route applicants correspondingly.

Regarding number of students admitted/enrolled stats, remember seeing on NJIT website’s faq page last year. I think they had some 19 acceptances through them out of which 13 enrolled. Also someone posted on last year’s discussion thread I believe, that 16 enrolled through TCNJ. Think these are the biggest feeders by numbers.

[RJP1973]

My S have been offered 7 YR BS/MD at GW University and 8 yr joint BSMD Hofstra program. We are awaiting NJMS 7 yr outcome in next few days. can someone guide what’s their perspective on all 3 colleges. We are evaluating all 3 and comparing all 3 options on the table but would be great to hear out from expert and experienced parents in this group… thank you in advance…

[GoldenRock]

It will always help to inform if cost is a factor when seeking input. Provide state of residence also. These 2 data points will help when any one responds.

[srk2017]

@RJP1973

My S have been offered 7 YR BS/MD at GW University and 8 yr joint BSMD Hofstra program. We are awaiting NJMS 7 yr outcome in next few days. can someone guide what’s their perspective on all 3 colleges. We are evaluating all 3 and comparing all 3 options on the table but would be great to hear out from expert and experienced parents in this group… thank you in advance…

@GoldenRock

It will always help to inform if cost is a factor when seeking input. Provide state of residence also. These 2 data points will help when any one responds.

Also does your S have any inclination towards particular speciality (I know it’s too early) and what kind of UG experience he wants to have.

[grtd2010]

@Nvidia20

@scarlet20

This forum has been helpful many times over the last few months so turning to this forum again as we decide on the right fit college for traditional route.

DS has the following options with more or less the same cost of attendance except for UMich. We planned to visit the colleges before deciding but it is not possible in the current situation. So, any input will greatly help us to decide.

1. UMich
2. UCs (UC Berkley, UC Los Angeles, UC San Diego, UC Davis)
3. Case Western
4. Boston U
5. UPitt
6. Ohio State
7. UWisconsin Madison

DS attends a competitive school in CA. We have not had much success in finding the good opportunities for research or shadowing locally. We are hearing that UCs have the same issue as well so trying to figure out which college would work better to manage GPA as well to find the opportunities easily.

If it helps to know his stats,

3.9 UW/4.47 W
1560 SAT
35 ACT
800 Math2 & 800 Chem
APs until junior year
Calc BC, Stats, Comp Sci, Bio, World and US history (5)
Chem (4)

Congratulation to you son for getting into some very good colleges - Berkley is as difficult to get in as any I know, but grade deflation may be an issue for engineering.

UMich is well know as a pre-med friendly school with lots of research opportunities at both the UG and medical campus. Case, I think would be a nice smaller sized private university with research opportunities. UW is a nice campus but not exceptional for premed.

I would rank them as UMich, Case, UW, Ohio, Pitt.

For CA - UCLA, Berkley, SD, Davis

I read some where that UCLA sends more students to medical schools than any other University (closely followed by UMich). Too bad UIUC is not in your list very good pre-med.

Even in CAS(College of Arts and Sciences) at UCB with the popular pre-med major Integrative Biology, it is very competitive to get a GPA > 3.8. D had admission at UCB(CS) and did research a lot before deciding not to join. May be UC Davis is a better alternative for pre-med as suggested before by @srk2017 .

[grtd2010]

@RJP1973

My S have been offered 7 YR BS/MD at GW University and 8 yr joint BSMD Hofstra program. We are awaiting NJMS 7 yr outcome in next few days. can someone guide what’s their perspective on all 3 colleges. We are evaluating all 3 and comparing all 3 options on the table but would be great to hear out from expert and experienced parents in this group… thank you in advance…

Are you a NJ resident ? If yes, NJMS should be your first choice. May be Hofstra and GW in this order. The duration of 7 or 8 years is irrelevant in choosing a MD career path.

[grtd2010]

@srk2017

@RJP1973

My S have been offered 7 YR BS/MD at GW University and 8 yr joint BSMD Hofstra program. We are awaiting NJMS 7 yr outcome in next few days. can someone guide what’s their perspective on all 3 colleges. We are evaluating all 3 and comparing all 3 options on the table but would be great to hear out from expert and experienced parents in this group… thank you in advance…

@GoldenRock

It will always help to inform if cost is a factor when seeking input. Provide state of residence also. These 2 data points will help when any one responds.

Also does your S have any inclination towards particular speciality (I know it’s too early) and what kind of UG experience he wants to have.

How do you take into account specialty in decision making ? Match List ? Just count the numbers of spot for the specialty in match list. This may be very misleading since IM is chosen by many who want to further sub-specialize.
It is a fallacy to assume that anyone can get into any residency at any Medical School at this stage(start of BS/MD).

[grtd2010]

@mygrad2021

I was looking at TCNJ/NJMS. I do not see any information about honors program for BS/MD students? If you’re selected for BS/MD, are you also by default admitted to their Honors program? Can someone give more details on this?

You should call TCNJ after you get a phone call from them about NJMS if you are selected. Do you want to join TCNJ for UG alone ?. Hope you have other UG options ?

[sguni_2016]

@grtd2010

@RJP1973

My S have been offered 7 YR BS/MD at GW University and 8 yr joint BSMD Hofstra program. We are awaiting NJMS 7 yr outcome in next few days. can someone guide what’s their perspective on all 3 colleges. We are evaluating all 3 and comparing all 3 options on the table but would be great to hear out from expert and experienced parents in this group… thank you in advance…

Are you a NJ resident ? If yes, NJMS should be your first choice. May be Hofstra and GW in this order. The duration of 7 or 8 years is irrelevant in choosing a MD career path.

Is the rationale the benefit of instate tuition? Please clarify.

[grtd2010]

@sguni_2016

@grtd2010

@RJP1973

My S have been offered 7 YR BS/MD at GW University and 8 yr joint BSMD Hofstra program. We are awaiting NJMS 7 yr outcome in next few days. can someone guide what’s their perspective on all 3 colleges. We are evaluating all 3 and comparing all 3 options on the table but would be great to hear out from expert and experienced parents in this group… thank you in advance…

Are you a NJ resident ? If yes, NJMS should be your first choice. May be Hofstra and GW in this order. The duration of 7 or 8 years is irrelevant in choosing a MD career path.

Is the rationale the benefit of instate tuition? Please clarify.

Both NJMS and RWJ in NJ are good medical schools on its own and also one of the lowest in-state medical school tuition may be after Texas medical schools.

[mygrad2021]

@grtd2010, Thanks for your response! My daughter is still going to apply this Fall, she is junior now. We are just trying to shortlist our colleges.

[grtd2010]

@mygrad2021

@grtd2010, Thanks for your response! My daughter is still going to apply this Fall, she is junior now. We are just trying to shortlist our colleges.

Do not worry about it now just make a list of BS/MD programs now. Visit them for further research before applying. Most students attend TCNJ/NJMS combination.

[grtd2010]

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@mygrad2021

@grtd2010, Thanks for your response! My daughter is still going to apply this Fall, she is junior now. We are just trying to shortlist our colleges.

Do not worry about it now just make a list of BS/MD programs now. Visit them for further research before applying. Honors program is open for all in the college not specific to BS/MD only.

[PPofEngrDr]

Just learnt NU is going to be §ass/(No P)ass for next spring Q begins from coming Monday.

[grtd2010]

@PPofEngrDr

Just learnt NU is going to be (P)ass/(No P)ass for next spring Q begins from coming Monday.

Is it good or bad for those applying to medical school ?

[apostrian]

@RJP1973 When did your son receive admission to the Hofstra program? I emailed them and they said they were going to send them out this week but I have yet to receive anything from them.