Oh Furda, you tease! Apps aren't up to 25,000; they're at 26,800! 17% increase

[ilovebagels]

<p>There’s no way Columbia could have gone anywhere but up. It was a rising tide kind of year, and it took a gruesome nationally-publicized murder to get Yale’s app number to barely move.</p>

<p>I don’t think anything that bad has happened to Columbia or NYC, and won’t until the (probably inevitable) large-scale terrorist attack on the city.</p>

[akkipenn]

<p>Another point to note is that this is the baby boom generation stage so there are gnna be more applicants (there was an article I had read a week back regarding this- trying to find the link). Also, I guess the economic crisis is urging people to opt for the top-notch unis so therefore its unlikely that apps would have dipped for an ivy like columbia. Any idea when/where will the ed results data for penn 14 will be out?</p>

[45_Percenter]

<p>Class of 2014 ED acceptance data:</p>

<p>3,852 applied
31.4%–about 1,210–accepted</p>

<p>See top of page 1:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.thedp.com/files/pdfversion/2010/01/0127pdf.pdf[/url]”>http://www.thedp.com/files/pdfversion/2010/01/0127pdf.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Frankly, I don’t understand why the admissions office and/or the DP can’t provide the exact number accepted.</p>

[srrinath]

<p>

Frankly, I don’t understand why the admissions office and/or the DP can’t provide the exact number accepted.

</p>

<p>My guess is as good as yours, but I think it’s because there will inevitably be a very small number of individuals who are unable to go through with the ED contract (for financial reasons or otherwise) or who have their ED acceptances rescinded. Percentages provide a ballpark figure that doesn’t change much. In contrast, being specific with the numbers is troublesome when they could simply hold such information off until enrollment or beyond (at which point the Common Data Set will provide you with the numbers you want).</p>

[akkipenn]

<p>hmm so now that we know that approx 1200 are admitted, we can kinda estimate the admit rate right? </p>

<p>target size-2400
ed admit-1200
assuming yield- 62% (2013- 61.6% but im just assuming a better year for penn coz of the economic crisis and also i think penn this year is gnna take in more rd-ers who were actually ed defers and thus will mostly join penn if admitted. this will boost yield)
therefore, rd admits- 1950
total admits- 3150
total applicants- 26800</p>

<p>admit rate-abt 12%</p>

<p>pls lemme know if i have made some error in my calculation. thanks alot.</p>

[jesse10]

<p>isn’t 62% yield overall and not just rd yield? in which case, the total number of acceptances would have to be 2400 divided by .62, or 3870.
3870 total ed + rd admits (1200 ed + 2670 rd)
26,800 total applicants
admit rate of 14.4%
i imagine it will come out somewhere around 14 - 15%</p>

[45_Percenter]

<p>^ That’s correct.</p>

<p>Another way to look at it:</p>

<p>The RD yield for the Class of 2013 was 46% (1,321 RD matriculants out of 2,868 RD acceptances).</p>

<p>With 1,210 ED acceptances and a target class of 2,400 for the Class of 2014, the admissions office is seeking 1,190 RD matriculants for the Class of 2014. Assuming that there again is about a 46% yield for RD applicants (that’s a big assumption, of course, since the RD yield could be lower or–as akkipenn points out–higher), there would need to be about 2,587 RD acceptances. If we assume based on recent history that about 1/3 of ED applicants were deferred to the RD round, that would leave about 24,220 applicants for the RD round, resulting in an RD acceptance rate of about 11%, and an overall acceptance rate of about 14.2%.</p>

<p>As akkipenn implied, a lot of this will depend on how the admissions office apportions RD acceptances among deferred ED applicants, the wait list, etc. (i.e., yield management), but an overall acceptance rate of 14-15% seems somewhat inevitable.</p>

[muerteapablo]

<p>I agree with 45 percenter - especially since Harvard and Princeton did away with ED/EA, it is best to be conservative about yield.</p>

<p>I think that 14.2% seems most likely, although the acceptance rate could be anywhere from 13.4-15%.</p>

[Cue7]

<p>Isn’t trying to nail down the acceptance rate to the TENTH of a percent a little too much? You guys all know right now that the accept rate will be somewhere between 13-15%. You also know the ranges for all the other schools out there. Isn’t this enough?!</p>

[45_Percenter]

<p>^ We’ve got a pool going–care to buy a chance? :)</p>

[Cue7]

<p>Haha 45 percenter I’ll stay out of this one. It’d be excruciating to lose by a tenth of a point ;-)</p>

[muerteapablo]

<p>OK, I’ve done the math. If the RD yield remains the same as last year (46.1%), then Penn will have a 14.1% admissions rate.</p>

<p>If it grows to 50%, as it has in the past, Penn will have a 13.3% acceptance rate. We shall see what happens.</p>

[timetravel]

<p>Why has education turned into a number’s game? The value of a college now hinges on admission statistics and their “yield”! So all the essay writing is juz part of the numbers game and prestige? its a vicious cycle tt as applicants, we yearn for our dream school to hv higher admit rate, and wish for it to drop to the singles once we matriculate.</p>

<p>A college is prestigious if it can accept great students and churn out outstanding graduates. However, the best ones are those which accept average students, and educate them into outstanding individuals.</p>

[muerteapablo]

<p>

However, the best ones are those which accept average students, and educate them into outstanding individuals.

</p>

<p>I admire your idealism, but what a great college does is incubate great minds and allow them to germinate. It can’t create potential out of nothingness.</p>

[45_Percenter]

<p>From today’s Philadelphia Inquirer:</p>

<p>

A bumper year for applications to top colleges</p>

<p>By Susan Snyder
Inquirer Staff Writer</p>

<p>Getting into the University of Pennsylvania and other elite private schools in the area could be harder this fall, with applications coming in at record increases.</p>

<p>Some of the rise is because of eye-popping increases in applications from California, where budget cuts have sent shock waves through the state system.</p>

<p>Also fueling the boom are more aggressive recruiting by colleges in the economic downturn, a jump in applications from minority students, and a boost in the number of students filing more applications to find the best financial-aid offers, officials say.</p>

<p>Penn’s applications have risen 17 percent, to 26,800 for 2,400 spots - one of its largest jumps ever after two relatively flat years.</p>

<p>“We’re going to be more selective, if not the most selective Penn has ever been,” admissions dean Eric Furda said.</p>

<p>Admission to other private schools in the region also will be more competitive. Princeton University reports a 19 percent increase in applications, Drexel University 19 percent, Villanova University 10 percent, and Swarthmore College 8 percent.</p>

<p>While many students need look only across the classroom to see competition for coveted freshman slots, increasingly their rivals are hailing from farther away - the left coast in particular.</p>

<p>Penn got 3,350 applications from California, a 22 percent hike. Swarthmore was up 16 percent, Villanova 34 percent, and the University of Delaware 36 percent.</p>

<p>“An increase like we saw in California doesn’t just happen,” Furda said. “Families in California must be looking at the strain the state system is under and are starting to take a look at some other options outside the state.”</p>

<p>California’s well-regarded public system has lowered enrollments as money gets tighter and the number of high school graduates peaks.</p>

<p>“We really don’t know what’s going to happen to the UC system,” said Margaret Amott, an independent college counselor in Sacramento, Calif. “Kids are finding they’re having a hard time getting classes and not graduating in four years as they once were.”</p>

<p>Applications to private schools are showing some record increases nationally as well, including an unheard of 42 percent at the University of Chicago, said Barmak Nassirian of the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admission Officers.</p>

<p>“You would have thought that economic conditions in the country would make higher-priced institutions a lot less interesting to families,” he said, but “they understand that the recession, no matter how severe it may be, will end fairly soon, whereas the benefits of a college education are spread out over a lifetime.”</p>

<p>Princeton plans to increase its financial-aid budget to $113 million next school year, up from $103 million.</p>

<p>“It appears our financial-aid message of affordability is reaching more students than in the past,” dean of admissions Janet Rapelye said in a statement.</p>

<p>More applications from minority students also are fueling the spurt in applications locally, college officials said.</p>

<p>The numbers of black and Hispanic applicants to Penn are up 33 percent and 29 percent.</p>

<p>Applications from Asians rose 61 percent at Delaware, along with jumps in black and Hispanic applicants.</p>

<p>Villanova drew 3,200 applications from minority students, its highest total. And Pennsylvania State University had an 8 percent climb.</p>

<p>The increases are coming even as the number of U.S. high school graduates has begun to decline (despite continuing gains in the West and Southwest).</p>

<p>Villanova’s applications rose even though its draw from Pennsylvania fell 4 percent.</p>

<p>Several area schools, including Haverford and Bryn Mawr Colleges, did not respond to requests for application numbers.</p>

<p>Officials also speculated that students were continuing to apply to more schools. In 1990, 9 percent of students applied to seven or more colleges. In 2006, 18 percent did so.</p>

<p>“They perhaps want to be able to have more financial-aid packages to sort through to see where they might be getting the most help,” said Claudia Gard, a counselor at Masterman High School, a Philadelphia magnet school.</p>

<p>Masterman counselors recommend that students apply to state schools, if only as a backup to more selective colleges.</p>

<p>Senior Danielle Williams, 18, applied to two Ivies, Penn and Cornell University; two state-related schools, Penn State and Temple University; and East Stroudsburg University, part of the state system.</p>

<p>An honor-roll student with advanced math ability, she recently was named the Philadelphia School District’s student of the month. Even so, she knows she faces stiff competition for top schools, and much of her decision will depend on financial aid.</p>

<p>“We kind of go in with the mind-set that we’re not going to get in,” Williams said of her Ivy applications. “So if we do get in, it’s good news. . . . And even if I don’t get in, I have really good backups.”</p>

<p>Many state and state-related schools also saw application increases.</p>

<p>Rutgers University, New Jersey’s flagship, is tracking 5 percent higher, which it attributed in part to the opening of its new visitors center.</p>

<p>Penn State was up 4 percent as of mid-January.</p>

<p>Delaware is ahead 7 percent, bringing in 25,247 applications. At the same time, it will offer admission to a smaller class.</p>

<p>“It’s going to be an especially tough year,” admissions director Louis Hirsh said.</p>

<p>But at Temple, applications dropped 11 percent, to 15,673, from a year ago. The school’s deadline is March 1.</p>

<p>Applications from out-of-state students, who have to pay higher tuition, account for half the decline, said William Black, senior vice provost for enrollment management.</p>

<p>Also, counselors at feeder high schools in Philadelphia, Delaware, and Montgomery Counties told Temple that more students were planning to attend community college their first two years to save money, he said.</p>

<p>Temple figures it still may get applications from students who applied to private schools under early decision and early action and were turned down.</p>

<p>Despite the decline, Black said Temple had a strong candidate pool and expected it would bring in a better class than last year. Four percent more students have submitted deposits, indicating commitment to attend, he added.</p>

<p>“The SAT scores in this year’s pool are up significantly - 18 points higher,” he said.</p>

<p>At Penn, Furda - like officials at some other schools - also credited more aggressive recruiting. He said Penn’s education campaign about its aid must be working, too.</p>

<p>But Furda said the size of the jump in applications surprised him.</p>

<p>“I was thinking a 10 percent increase would have been good,” he said.

</p>

<p>[A</a> bumper year for applications to top colleges | Philadelphia Inquirer | 01/31/2010](<a href=“A bumper year for applications to top colleges”>A bumper year for applications to top colleges)</p>

<p>Note the substantial increase–22%–in applications from California.</p>

[ilovebagels]

<p>Sucks to be the UC system</p>

[trickysocksman]

<p>oh yeah totally. im from cal and a year ago berkeley was at the top of the list. now, partly cuz of budget cuts and the one school ive gotten into, i already know im not going lol. (please lemme in upenn gahhh)</p>

[45_Percenter]

<p>By the way, anyone recognize his/her application on Furda’s monitor?</p>

<p>[Furda</a> Photo | Philadelphia Inquirer | 01/31/2010](<a href=“A bumper year for applications to top colleges”>A bumper year for applications to top colleges)</p>

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