<p>But it is NOT an acceptance. These 09-10 kids haven't been ACCEPTED anywhere.</p>
<p>hmmmm... I didn't know if I could directly link but I will try. It has commitments from all over the country.</p>
<p>Google</a> Docs - Women's Soccer Recruiting</p>
<p>You're right Curm...not accepted BUT....the coach better be pretty sure as he has some high powered players who are committing. As I mentioned earlier, every school we went to the coach had Ds meet with Admissions before or after they extended offers. My 2009 has already commited.</p>
<p>It seems we are all in basic agreement. The OP was just confused about verbal commitment made by the student and acceptance made by the college when they wrote
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In reading my local paper it shows college announcements for students who have already been accepted to prestigeous colleges for class of 2013. Schools like Princeton, Amherst, Northwestern.
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<p>I know the coach where D2 will be attending told her he is done recruiting his '09 class. All this before he can officially call them this summer!</p>
<p>I do however find the idea of a verbal commitment to a non-scholarship or D-3 school (like Amherst or Hamilton) kind of funny. The real "commitment" will come at ED time. D was under great pressure to commit and didn't.</p>
<p>NM, it's a different world at an uber-selective school. You can get the coach's nod but that is only part of the battle.</p>
<p>Even at D1 , non-IVY schools. We have had a few boys headed to Rice that didn't get there. Big signing days ...the whole shooting match.</p>
<p>That list also shows 2010 graduates! </p>
<p>I guess a kid could verbally commit to go anywhere and tell the paper to print that? But I didn't think most NCAA allowed coaches to contact players before junior year.</p>
<p>I'll have to go back and look at the site I listed. Were there many DIII schools listed with commitments? I also find it interesting at the number of recruits listed...some small and some much larger. Could be very interesting for some of those players!</p>
<p>I myself have committed to pitch for Harvard in 09-10. I just need to take the SAT and learn to pitch. ;) I'll call the paper.</p>
<p>Muffy...yes, they can contact you. Here are some of the rules:
<a href="http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/membership_svcs/recruiting_calendars/2007-08/recruitingchart.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/membership_svcs/recruiting_calendars/2007-08/recruitingchart.pdf</a></p>
<p>Agree, Curm! D2 wouldn't stray too far from home so her contacts with the East Coast schools were brief! I still wish she would have considered Emory a little more...sigh! She also ruled out Carleton, Grinnell, Mac, Lawrence and Beloit around here. I loved the Carleton coach, a Harvard grad! She is excellent! Can you tell D2 wanted a small school?!?!? :)</p>
<p>This whole thing is getting so out of hand, and as always, this verbal commitment business is really more to snag the athlete than the other way around. An athlete basically makes a verbal commitment to a school and the coach makes a verbal commitment that he/she will be on the top priority list for admissions consideration. Most of the time, the coach know pretty well who and what he can get past admissions, so if the student stays on course, all is usually fine. However, a verbal commitment is NOT BINDING for either side. What it does is put that commitment on the shoulders of a kid and a family so that the coach can pretty much count on that kid putting that school as #1 on his list after the info has been published and distributed everywhere. It also makes it very difficult for other kids who are trying to find out where they are in the recruitment process, if they do not know who is already on the coach's list and have committed. This is a piece of info that athletic recruits need to get to know where they stand with a coach. Only the very top recruits are going to be given the go ahead to go public with the verbal commitment. This is, by the way, what all the competitive schools want to get out of an athlete. Many will get that "you are my first choice" commitment from the athlete, and that is becoming what is necessary to be on the priority/scholarship list. It still is not the final list, because NO obligation exists on either side, until the admissions offer is given and the letter of intent signed. This has become a quasy world, bringing up the ante in the athletic stakes.</p>
<p>My son was not on most first lists. There were kids who had committed. But I know personally of one kid who did not get in after all of the hoopla. It was a devastating blow to the family, as he did not apply anywhere else. He ended up doing a year at an open enrollment college, working on his sport at a competitive club, and got in as a transfer student with his eligibiity intact the following year. He just could not be accepted to the academically competitive college where the commitments were made, both ways, because he just did not make the cut grades/sat wise. </p>
<p>We have friends right now with a giant of a son who is getting "offers" of commitment from a number of schools. They are more worried about getting the kid through high school, as he has had a number of discipline/academic problems. But he is hot, hot, hot athletically, and yes, the coaches have basically offered him first shot on the list, and are bugging him for a commitment. He is a rising senior. And, yes, NCAA rules are being followed to a T, which means as a Technicality. None are being broken explicitly, but, man oh man, they do give a lot of license.</p>
<p>It looks like Div III can contact freshman year and Div I can start contacting some sports the summer after sophomore year? Our school has the sports recruiting meeting for seniors in September so I guess that's late. Although as in most schools, there are a lot of kids who think they need to know a lot about what do to when offered a full athletic scholarship and very few who will actually need such information.</p>
<p>Muffy..there was a series in the NY Times just a few months ago that had some good info on recruiting and "slicing up the scholarship pie." I'll see if I can find it again. There was a thread here about the series, too.</p>
<p>Our girls go to a very large school that has an excellent sports/academic profile. Several '09 students have already commited to our state flagship as well as neighboring states. The school offers a college recruiting program that is open to all grades.</p>
<p>Here it is:<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/sports/10scholarships.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin%5B/url%5D">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/sports/10scholarships.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin</a></p>
<p>The world of verbal commitment is a strange one for ivies.My d was recruited throughout sophomore / junior year(all according to NCAA rules, I might add). The coaches at the school she committed to were VERY straight forward as to academics. She was told straight out what her SAT scores had to be. Coaches ( and , specifically, assistant coach who is the contact with admissions. One aside: I recently had to call admissions office for some information and mentioned the assistant coaches name. Admissions officier said " X [first name] knows exactly what info you need. he can handle it for you." gave me some comfort that admissions knows him) reviewed her transcript. ONLY after this, did head coach offer spot on his recruiting list (and was quite clear about number of spots he had) It was very clear coaches know what admissions wants. Head coach related that in his 10 years, he has only lost a couple recruits and that happened because info on applicants came out during admission process he didn't know about. Coaches are VERY clear that admissions admits but , at least in this situation, we felt coaches really knew, understood, and had a relationship with admissions. Will see if we are looking through rose colored glasses at the end of process. promise to report result. coaches , by the way, have stayed in close contact with her including checking in about academics.</p>
<p>But, on my daughter's club team, 12 kids have already made verbals. At school she committed to, 1 spot left only because a top player just decided ACC rather than Ivy. May not like it, but junior year is the year... senior year athletics, as far as college recruitment, doesn't mean much anymore.</p>
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<p>As the parent of an elite soccer player that verballed in the spring of her junior year as did 95% of her teammates, is not etched in stone, but it's pretty much a wrap. As soon as the word gets out about a verbal, at least in soccer, the recruitment pretty much stops. Legally it's not binding but coaches or programs that renege aren't looked at positively and could damage recruitment of future prospects greatly. It rare, but sometimes it does happen. Many coaches are given some leeway in admissions with a "prequalified" student athlete to offer and accept verbal commitments, even at selective schools. Of course there are contingencies, but if the student athlete does their part the school will honor their agreement, even if there is an injury. One advantage of verballing early. So, unless these kids are lying or embellishing, I would think that those verbals are accurate especially if some of the kids are blue chip or national level student athletes.</p>
<p>My son plays soccer for one of the stronger boys' clubs in the country, and the club has sent a number of former players to various Ivy League schools. The rule of thumb presented by Ivy League coaches is that for soccer players at this level, an 1800/2400 SAT score is sufficient for admission. My son just completed his sophomore year, and fortunately he had a 2180 SAT when he was 15. Before he went to play at the U.S. Soccer Development Academy Spring Showcase a couple weeks ago in Illinois, my son e-mailed some Ivy League coaches to let them know on which fields he would be playing and at which times. After the Showcase, Ivy League coaches called my son's coach to let him know they saw him and are interested, but they cannot speak with him until September of his junior year.</p>
<p>The boys on my son's club typically list their SAT scores and GPAs on their individual web pages, especially during their junior years when they are being recruited, so I have been able to track their scores and ultimate commitments. Two years ago, three of them went to Duke, and none of the three had higher than 1180/1600 on the SAT. These players essentially all commit during their junior years, but I am not sure if it is a verbal commitment or a written offer. Our boys are told that they need to maintain reasonable academic progress, but I have not heard of any coach promising a boy he would be admitted and then it not working out.</p>
<p>I am also very confused about recuitment. My son plays tennis at the national level. It seems as if tennis recuitment gives a smaller booast in admissions that the soccer experience described or other sports like football and lacrosse . I would greatly appreciate it if anyone would share their experience with men's tennis recruitment. Feel free to PM me if you prefer.</p>
<p>A good case study of "commitment does not equal acceptance" is Frank Ben-Eze. Ben-Eze, one of the top dozen or so HS basketball centers in the country had made a lot of headlines last fall by deciding to commit to Harvard over offers from such schools as Marquette and U.Va. He was reported to have been the most talented recruit ever attracted to the Ivy League, but never did make the minimum Ivy League qualifying SAT score. When it became apparent this spring that he would not be admitted at Harvard, he withdrew his verbal commitment and signed with Davidson.</p>
<p>I looked up the young man that I know who has made a verbal commitment to a top school. Yep, it's there on the web sites. He's a rising senior. Same school that had a commitment from a local kid some years ago, who did not get accepted by admissions. </p>
<p>The improvement in this system is that now you can actually see who is committed where so you know where your athlete stands. That was not the case 8 years ago. You had to rely on the grape vine. </p>
<p>I still suggest a safety school for any of these kids. Anything can happen between now and then, and there is no obligation on part of the school to accept you. A kid can lose interest in a sport, not make certain cut offs in test scores/grades, get into trouble, get injured, get sick. The coach can be fired or change jobs, the sport can be cut, the athletic budget cut, scholarships can disappear.</p>