<p>I just realized that I am probably going to be competing with the international poll, which is much more competitive than the domestic one. I came to the United States from Asia 9 years ago but my Green Card status is still pending. My EFC is around 10,000- 15,000. Yale, Princeton, and Harvard said that they are going to place me in the domestic poll, since I enrolled at a high school in the US, but do you guys know if other top tier schools will do this too? Does this significantly lower my chances?!? I am so worried!!!</p>
<p>Don't worry seriously...</p>
<p>I am not getting in either(:()</p>
<p>But there's no point in worrying now{:D}</p>
<p>dont worry about it so much..i'm kind of in a similar situation as you, and i remember i was worrying about not getting into college before i got my acceptance to cornell...i'm still waiting on my green card status too...i know that you can apply as a permanent resident now if you've gotten your alien registration number and social security number and then before college starts in the fall you must have gotten your green card or else you can't get any federal financial aid.</p>
<p>and just because u won't get into an IVY LEAGUE doesn't mean u won't get in anywhere! I really wish you the best... but not getting in to a super-selective university is not the end of the world!</p>
<p>thanks for all the responses. I just think that it's fair that all the people from my school are placed in the same poll, and I am thrown into the international pile. none of my friends know this and all think I am going to get into at least one top tier school like HYPS (2380, 3rd in class, president of four clubs, state-level awards, etc etc). what am i going to tell them when 3/23 arrives and i got rejected EVERYWHERE?! my entire school is expecting me to get into a good school. sigh...... such is life.</p>
<p>I was in a very similar situation a few days ago. I came to the United States six years ago and attend high school here, but had to apply as an international student because I don't have a green card (I have a G4 visa). I</a> was afraid of not being accepted anywhere, but I received my acceptance email to Bryn Mawr yesterday and still have nine more schools to hear from. I honestly think they do pay attention to how long you've lived in the United States, and it wouldn't surprise me if an international student who has lived here for several years would have a slight advantage over someone coming from abroad... but it's really impossible to predict.</p>
<p>As long as you have a balanced list of safeties, reaches, and matches, the chances of your not being accepted anywhere is extremely low. I have a 2270, a few leadership positions but no presidencies, significant involvement in the arts, volunteering, and some other activities... all less impressive than your accomplishments, and I've been accepted to at least one college. That isn't to say you'll get into an Ivy League school; I'd say you have as good a chance as anyone, but--and I'm sure you know this--not even the most qualified domestic applicant is guaranteed admission to those schools, so that really doesn't mean much. </p>
<p>So take a deep breath... I'm sure you'll have several amazing colleges to choose from in a week's time. :)</p>
<p>There is a reason why students like you are having difficulties with college admissions. A whole crop of fraudulent bastards from Korean high schools, with their falsified transcripts, ghost-written essays and recommendations, and completely made-up extracurricular activities are swarming top universities, and to the extent that their admissions to such prestigious schools are rising, opportunities are narrowing for honest, hard-working kids from American high schools, i.e. students like you. </p>
<p>This has been an open secret among Korean international students. Read the following articles for yourself and decide if it requires immediate action from American students and high schools...and the universities. </p>
<p>(1) An extremely representative case of the falsification of "translated" transcripts (in English, created liberally by school administrators eager to send their kids to ivy league schools). Exclusive report by the Hankyoreh, one of the major newspapers in South Korea: </p>
<p><a href="http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/engli...al/175976.html%5B/url%5D">http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/engli...al/175976.html</a>
<a href="http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176484.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176484.html</a></p>
<p>(2) SAT scandal in Korea (exams leaked and then provided to students on the eve of their exam)</p>
<p>On how Hanyoung Foreign Language HS's designation as an SAT exam center privilege was revoked + allegations surrounding the incident
<a href="http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176737.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_e...al/176737.html</a></p>
<p>On how 900 SAT exams by Korean int. students got cancelled after ETS found out that serious breaches were made in the storage of exam packets
<a href="http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/2007...8123410220.htm%5B/url%5D">http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/2007...8123410220.htm</a>
<a href="http://chronicle.com/news/article/17...ecurity-breach%5B/url%5D">http://chronicle.com/news/article/17...ecurity-breach</a></p>
<p>Just to remind you: A few students from the school in question - btw, most of its peers in Seoul and South Korea did the same thing, but were never caught in their acts - still got into Wharton, Harvard and Princeton. </p>
<p>The only way to take care of this situation? Sue the bastards. Sue the universities. Tell the universities to keep, indefinitely, all the records submitted by Korean high school students and match them with official transcripts that can be provided by Korean government if requested formally. Sue the students for their falsified records. I mean.....70 for A? With that score, the student can't even get into low-ranking universities in Korea. </p>
<p>Btw, the high schools also run SAT CR and Writing prep courses during official classroom hours! This is ****ing illegal but they continue to do so secretly. Imagine this: you are guaranteed excellent recoms and transcripts, can make up any spectacular extracurricular activities at will, and are regularly exempted from standard educational curriculum whenever you want to study for SATs. Your school run SAT prep courses during classrooms, and you don't even have to bother to show up in classes. Your essays are ghost-written by professional admission consultants. Unless you are an absolute idiot, you will get into ivy league schools. It's that simple. </p>
<p>Sue the bastards.</p>
<p>^ The same is true for most Mainland Chinese applicants. China is a country of fraudulence. People in there regard cheating as norm.</p>
<p>It's indeed extremely unfair for the few innocent and honest students in these "cheating" nations.</p>
<p>lol 70 is an A in Singapore too. But trust me, it is not easy to score a 70.</p>
<p>OP, don't worry too much. </p>
<p>Great post, minkijohn. It is not surprise that many local universities at some of these countries administrate their own individual entrance exam. </p>
<p>BTW, most colleges are well aware of these issues (the admission people at different colleges do talk to each other regularly) so the problems aren't as severe as one may think. </p>
<p>However, the distribution of "real" exam questions (mostly memorized by professional test takers) is quite common. Most of the best SAT prep schools are located outside US. ;)</p>
<p>jessica v
as a chinese mainlander who's now living in canada
i have to say its not quite true =)
first of all there is NO sat cheating
2ndly they cannot make up grades.</p>
<p>y?</p>
<p>becuz if a grade where 90% of the ppl apply to us colleges, it would be considered a grade inflation and hurt u even more =P</p>
<p>Actually you're in a pretty good situation. Apart from HYP, the rest of the Ivies are not need-blind for internationals. However, they still deserve int. students because they add to the diversity. But they don't get gov funding for int. so here's the dilemma: They don't want to pay for intels but still want them. So since you have the greencard, you're exactly what they're looking for. Good luck you're in a pretty good position. You'll have an edge over other intels at Penn, Dartmouth, Col, Brown and Cornell.</p>
<p>I don't know what happened to collegeofmydreams, but if any other international students living in the US are reading this, don't lose hope. I don't even have a pending green card, let alone a full one, and I was accepted to Dartmouth (which is not need-blind for internationals) with generous financial aid. I won't say that the same will be true for you, but work hard on your essays, impress the hell out of your teachers and interviewers, and keep your proverbial fingers crossed; there are no guarantees, but that doesn't mean you'll be rejected everywhere (in fact, I think that's pretty unlikely).</p>
<p>or you could go to CC first then transfer out. </p>
<p>oh and about the 70 = A thing... getting a 70 in my high school was a lot harder than getting a 4.0 when I was in college. My math grades in high school is always in the range of 5.0/10 to 7.0/10 at most but I got perfect 4.0 for all calculus based math in the states. it's like a joke really...</p>
<p>collegeofmydreams, I am in the exact same situation. I emailed a lot of schools, MIT, Caltech, Dartmouth, Duke... Most said that admissions will be considered with domestic students. However, financial aid will be separated.</p>