<p>i got bored with your "way too long of a post" somewhere in the second paragraph.</p>
<p>i never said uf was the end all be all of all schools. but it's far superior to any public university in florida. furthermore, i'd rather have my B.A. from UF than UM.</p>
<p>i went to ucf, i can say whatever i want about it. plain and simple, i just wasn't impressed.</p>
<p>again, i never dissed yankeeboy. i'm just slightly scared that they admitted someone with a 3.65 and rejected someone with a 3.8. that's not a good sign.</p>
<p>Your right you are free to say what ever you want but that doesn't stop your opinion from being ignorant and uninformed. I find it hard to believe you have sat through a class a UCF. But to keep it short and sweet I would rather a B.A./B.S. from University of Miami, which simply is the campus with a more diverse and may I say academically stronger student body. Needless to say living in the city of Miami> Gainesville.</p>
<p>lol, you might want to grab a merriam webster.</p>
<p>uf > ucf... by far.</p>
<p>and i'm not a fan of the miami area. i'm glad you have all this non-academic reasons while all these schools are better than uf. i happen to not share them, whatever works for you though.</p>
<p>Brandon...I think UCF is an underated school. Patent applications this year were a very impressive accomplishment. And the entire state will benefit if UCF rises in the rankings. But you are knocking UF somewhat unfairly in your posts....Miami > Gainesville is purely subjective opinion. Saying UF is not diverse is ignorant...as minority metrics show, UF, in fact, has more ethnic diversity than peer top-20 publics. Last, your statement that UM has better students is not supported by a comparison of Common Datasets.</p>
<p>rogracer, never did I say UF was not diverse, and I am also speaking from more than just an ethnically motivated point of view. I was just pointing out the Miami is the MORE diverse school, with over 50 percent of their students being OOS. I believe UF is around 95% instate. Speaking from a strictly academic point of view the two schools almost parallel by numbers, I believe UF just became more selective this year (football, the economy,) and I also believe UM has a SLIGHTLY higher average SAT/ACT range, I may be wrong but I believe I have seen this before. Miami also does a better job at attracting top students; The U attracts alot of ivy-caliber students because of their generous scholarships. Both are great schools and it comes down to personal preference and IMO I feel UM is the stronger school with more potential. Smaller classes private school, higher endowment per captia, nearly identical rankings, ect.</p>
<p>"The U attracts alot of ivy-caliber students because of their generous scholarships. "</p>
<p>That is true Brandon, but by the numbers, the 2008 freshman class at UF had 17% of students scoring 700+ on SAT Verbal (vs 10% at UM), and 25% scoring 700+ (vs 23% at UM)...factor in the much larger number of students at UF, and I think you will agree there are a large number of Ivy-caliber kids in Gainesville.</p>
<p>rogracer I am curious to where you got your numbers from? They seem right for the most part but according to Miami's common data set 17% of UM's students had verbal scores in the 700-800 range paralleling UF. </p>
<p>According to the Top 500 Ranked Universities for Highest SAT 75th Percentile Scores Miami is slightly ahead of UF.</p>
<p>University of Miami is 107
University of Florida is 119
Florida State University 279
University of Central Florida is 305
University of South Florida is 382</p>
<p>You are correct Brandon...I mistakingly used the UM writing score in place of the critical reading score...so both UM and UF are equal at 17%. But UF has a slight edge in 700+ math. Here is the UF common dataset for comparison....</p>
<p>UF also has an edge in students in top-10%, but I agree it's basically a wash in terms of percentages. In terms of total numbers of "ivy-caliber" students in Gainesville vs Coral Gables, it is a different story....it may even be true that a certain school in east orlando has more ivy-caliber students than that private school down south, but we can leave that as an exercise for the reader to determine.</p>
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<p>In some areas there are parallels, but UF is a larger, more comprehensive university than UM. The resources of UF dwarf UM with the possible exception of medicine.</p>
<p>parent2noles, I would say dwarf is a over exaggeration..can you please be more specific?..Also parent2noles what were my rankings for flagship universities? The only rankings I listed were based on purely SAT scores.</p>
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The only facility of its kind in the United States, the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory (less formally known as the Magnet Lab) is the largest and highest-powered magnet laboratory in the world, headquartered in a sprawling 370,000-square-foot complex near Florida State University in Tallahassee. The lab also includes sites at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico and the University of Florida in Gainesville. Together these three institutions operate the lab, collaborating in a unique, interdisciplinary way to advance basic science, engineering and technology in the 21st century.
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<p>UF joined with FSU to win the Mag Lab from MIT and other universities in a peer-reviewed competition.</p>
<p>OK, here are the tallies for "ivy-league caliber" 2008 freshman walking around each of the campuses in question. I'm just using the 700+ math scorers for simplicity. UCF does, in fact, edge UM in terms of total numbers:</p>
<p>UF: 1591
UCF: 457
UM: 455
FSU: 329</p>
<p>Someone more bored than I can tally the verbals if they want.</p>
<p>Brandon, I'm still wondering what you think a "flagship" university is. What qualities constitute a flagship university?</p>
<p>Secondly, both FSU and UF value GPA and a rigorous course load more than a high SAT score. Why not use what the universities think is important?</p>
<p>Rogracer, since FSU FTIC-2008 applicants per the 2008-09</a> Common Data Set submitted an SAT score only 49.5% of the time, have you figured this restriction into your analysis? It would appear from a quick run of the numbers that FSU has at least 422 freshmen in 2008 with a SAT of at least 700 in math and an ACT in math of at least 30. FSU did report a Fall 2008 SAT average of 1265</a> and an ACT Composite of 28, while UCF reports a SAT average of 1219</a> and an ACT Composite of 26.</p>
<p>Brandon, your earlier list shows FSU having a 75% SAT of 1270, yet this more recent report shows a 75% SAT of 1290, which again reflects the SAT average of less than half of the freshman admitted in 2008.</p>
<p>The averages are significant since FSU cut freshman enrollment and reflects a more accurate snapshot of the the typical freshman.</p>
<p>parent2noles, the fact that only 49% submitted SAT scores suggests that most of the ones who didn't, scored significantly lower thus submitting ACT's. Almost ALL High school students take the SAT first.</p>
<p>My definition and interpration of flagship universitys is as followed: A large public institution of higher learning that is generally well known, in addition they are some type of grant university whether it is land, space, ect.</p>
<p>My math was simplistic...for FSU, I just multiplied the number of full time first year freshman (4992) by 6.6% to get my estimate of 329. So, I assumed the percentage of 700+ scorers was representative of the entire population. I made no effort to convert ACT math to an "equivalent" SAT math score. But I made the same assumption for all the schools listed, so on a comparative basis, it probably isn't too far off.</p>