On going into a large amount of debt for a brand-name college

As some of my older friends’ children were getting beat up (or not) by the college game, I started browsing CC. As someone who graduated (and applied) a while ago, I was amused/horrified by the college craze, and especially the obsession with brand names. I’ve noticed that most of the prominent parent posters on this site are not caught up in this craze, and for that I applaud them (knowing some college-crazy parents myself). The general advice is: don’t bother with the elite school if it requires taking on a crazy amount of debt. Go to your state college instead. And for the most part, I agree. But I definitely went against that advice, and I don’t regret it. I want to share my story to give another perspective on this very common issue.

I took on $120k in loans to attend MIT. I had a job in school and I did internships, working on preventing interest accumulation. That plus support from my family led to having roughly the same amount of debt when I graduated as when I started out. As soon as I was out of school, I took a well-paying job in the finance industry related to my major (comp sci). For five years after college, I lived with my parents (who were so kind as to not ask for rent). My post-tax income was around $110k, and I would put more than a third of it into paying off loans. Naturally, this meant almost no discretionary spending: no clothes, no books, no fancy technology, no entertainment. Really, my “fun money” was only spent on eating out for work meetings (and unfortunately, my bosses all had crazy expensive tastes).

Within five years I had paid off my debt. I was also miserable and burnt out from the 100-hour weeks and lack of socialization with anyone except for family and coworkers. Each day was a chore, and I would often wish myself dead on my way to work, before taking it back because my parents would then be burdened with my debt. I was incredibly lonely, and felt like I had been chewed up and spit out by the system. As soon as my debt was gone, I resigned and went off to a job with a smaller salary/bonuses and fewer benefits. I moved out and rented a relatively cheap apartment in a satellite city of the city I worked in.

I don’t have any regrets, despite being sure at 18, when I first took on these loans, that I would hate my teenage self when I graduated four years later. For most of my high school career, actually, I had expected to go to the state school on a full ride. I shocked MYSELF when I turned it down.

But I would say for most people, this is not the path to take. If you see college mostly as an economic investment, GO TO THE STATE SCHOOL and save your money. For people smart enough to get into HYPMS (and a ton of other good schools on the same level), you will not see a big difference in results five years after graduating. Below I say why this was the right choice for me.

  1. I prized education above a good lifestyle. Hell, I thought I'd live like a troll for at least ten years to pay off this debt. My family, despite being too rich to get financial aid when I applied, still had a poor person mentality, where every cent was scrutinized (at least on my father's side). I was used to telling myself "I want that, but I don't need that." Of my friends who faced a similar situation, most could not handle the change in lifestyle that was required to pay off the debt as fast as I did. Ten years on, they are still expecting to keep paying for at least another decade.
  2. I understood that this was a luxury. An MIT education was very much a case of "I don't need that, but I want it." It was NOT necessary. But the people I met and resources I had access to made those four years of my life very enjoyable.
  3. I would have let myself slip at the state school. Although it is a common saying on CC that you should be the best at your state school, it is very easy for many people (including myself) to be pulled down by the casual air of the people around you. Even in high school, despite being the superstar valedictorian, I would join in with my classmates in not doing any work on the days we had subs. I did as little as humanly possible to maintain my position.

Finally, I must note that my situation was EXTREMELY atypical. MIT (insert your elite school here) grads almost never make 130k post-tax straight out of college. It is a very, very small minority who do. Hell, even now the median income for comp sci (before taxes) is about $100k. 50% of graduates earn less, and I imagine that most of the people who earn more do so within $30k more. Expect, at best, a median income.

I guess I’m going to end up agreeing with most CC parents in saying that, no, you do not need to go to the most prestigious school that accepted you. It is like buying a Rolex instead of a Timex. For the purpose of telling time, the latter fares no worse, I promise. If you want to pay off your debt before your own children start college, you will most likely have to suffer for a few years. My story is a very rare example of incredible luck.

“you do not need to go to the most prestigious school that accepted you”

  • I have been advocating this concept here on CC for years. I have been bashed for it practically every time I have mentioned it. This is NOT any kind of theoretical stetement on my part. I have a kid who is graduating from the Med. School this weekend who literally had fun applying to college and Med. Schools (yes, both) specifically because she decide to avoid all this craze, despite pressure from GC at HS and pre-med advisor at college and apply where she personaly preferred to based on her personal criteria. As a result - first choice of residency (very selective) and debt free and great fun memories of college and Medical School application cycles, the memories that are still bringing smile to my face…

OP, thank you for sharing your story. MIT was my second son’s dream school. Thankfully, at least in my view, he was not accepted despite excellent stats. Instead he is at a wonderful state school with almost a full ride scholarship, and will graduate with no debt. As a CS major he should have no problem finding a job, however as he has no debt, he has more options on where he wants to work. I don’t know if he would have turned down MIT if he could have gotten in, even though he would have had to take on a lot of debt like you. I was sad for him that he was “rejected” by MIT, but am so glad he/we didn’t have to make the choice.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I am glad you were able to pay off the debt, despite the hardships you faced doing so. It’s hard to have some perspective on here sometimes because some posters will say “I went to Big State U and did just fine” after which a discussion will ensue on that “fine” means, while others will say “the prestige is worth paying for, I went to [insert elite school] and I’m in a field where only grads from top schools are hired” etc., etc. Might I ask you this, however - do you think that you could have gotten the job you have without the MIT brand on your diploma?

Well, CC certainly doesn’t lack for prestige obsessed parents/kids here either. :open_mouth:

Fortunately, there are also some very leveled headed ones to offset that.

  • Might I ask you this, however - do you think that you could have gotten the job you have without the MIT brand on your diploma*

Not OP, but what I have read, students who qualified for the top schools, but chose to go elsewhere, are often if not always, as successful in their fields as the students whose parents paid the big ticket prices.

There are exceptions.

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/the-college-solution/2011/03/01/the-ivy-league-earnings-myth

I’m a bit confused here…

So you had no discretionary spending with no rent and about 70K post-tax income left after paying back your loans? What are you talking about? Are we talking about pesos instead of dollars? What’s going on here?

“Are we talking about pesos instead of dollars?” LOL

I think OP makes some good points. Going into debt can be worthwhile if you have a realistic plan to make mega-$$$$.

For the most part those are mutually exclusive phrases: Realistic plan != making mega$$$

I’m so jaded now, that anytime I see a new thread, I always look to see how many posts the OP has. And when it’s only 1, I immediately assume it’s a fake. (And this is coming from someon with very few posts herself)!

@Vladenschlutte Regarding the discretionary spending, I phrased that utterly incorrectly (my baby sister would have caught that, to my shame). The money I put into loans was AT LEAST a third, but at the time I also had to help my parents with their financial situation (probably not the greatest idea, but it’s a given in my culture that family comes first). I saw that money as tied up before I even went to college. We’re not Mexican though, so no pesos :slight_smile:

@NavalTradition That is definitely not what I wanted the takeaway to be from my story. I certainly WANTED to make mega money, but I had no expectations that such a thing would happen. As I noted at the end, I was very much an exception. Realistically, I thought I would be paying off loans aggressively for fifteen years. I do not want this story to be taken as inspiration per se, because it’s so absolutely ridiculous.

@albert69 No, I probably would not have gotten that job straight out of college without the MIT diploma. But the important point is that I would not have WANTED it, as the main reason I took it then was to pay off the debt. If I had gone to my state school (and succeeded, which was the tricky part) I probably would have fairly quickly ended up with the job I really wanted–the one I took once I was no longer concerned about debt.

@mjrube94 Understandable. I specifically started this account to make that post. As someone out long out of college and with no kids (now or ever), I never saw a need to participate in discussion here.

@kjcphmom As someone still involved in the industry (though now more on the corporate level than the intellectual/coding), I would like to offer some words to your son in case he ever regrets his choice. Your son will be hired on the basis of what he can demonstrate of his knowledge both though the interview and through past projects; after all my company at least once a month hires someone with no formal education beyond a high school deiploma. The words “MIT” or “Stanford” 100% give an applicant the benefit of the doubt, but it is not a magic password (in this industry). As someone who has been involved in the hiring process, the best advice I can give is this. Forget about the school on the diploma; focus on building something–anything–outside of class (look into hacker bootcamps if you need a push). Simple as this advice may seem, it is something that most elite undergrads either aren’t aware of or choose to ignore. MIT is a shorthand which allows me to quickly stereotype you as probably more capable than average; but it will never trump the hard evidence of a successful app you’ve coded. Sorry for the rambling… I haven’t slept since ten last night.

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that is fine that it worked out for you…

However, no 18 year old knows what the future holds. What if the only job a person can get is too far away from the parents’ home? What if the new grad is in a relationship and "living at home’ for 5 years just doesn’t “work well” with that?

I bet you that most kids are happy with the colleges they end up and probably could write the same thing. But I’m glad it worked out for you.

@“Erin’s Dad” Probably not. Although, if you’ve already been admitted to HYPSM, it’s probably no harder to break into investment banking than to get into med school, maybe a little easier. My point was more that students who do decide to take on debt for a top school should be focused on a bankable major, a high GPA, internships and on-campus recruiting. Taking on debt to go into e.g. academia or nonprofit work doesn’t make sense.

@FortranBabe thanks for sharing your story. I presume you went to work on wall street. You must’ve wanted the money real bad. No CS major with any self-respect would go into investment banking - as the “back of house” second stringer. They go to IT firms to be the front of the house:). The NYT had an article not long ago about Wall Street increasingly having a tough time recruiting CS grads, even when they make partner which is rare, they still get no respect. The #1 feeder school to Morgan Stanley is Baruch College, #3 is Univ. of Mumbai, #4 Rutgers, something tells me they’re probably back of the house. CS is one of the most meritocratic fields. Even a degree is not necessary, let alone a prestigious one. All that matters is your ability to code. The #1 feeder school to Apple is San Jose State, to Microsoft & Amazon: UW. Starting salary for CS majors at top IT firms are now over $100k. Three cheers to technology and meritocracy. I hope you are now at an IT firm, getting a little more respect for that hard earned MIT CS degree. :slight_smile:

First of all, OP didn’t get to live rent free with his parents. He paid 2/3 of net earnings to his parents. If he didn’t, he would have paid off his loans the first year.
D1 is 4 years out of college. She has been supporting herself since out of school. She always lived in a decent apartment, went out regularly and enjoyed few vacations a year. I know she could have paid off OP’s student loans by now if she had to. Of course, I would never ask D1 to give me any money. She worked long hours the first 2 years, but now she is able to leave by 8 most evenings and no weekends.
I believe D1 was able to get her job because of where she went to school.

If I’m understanding the OP correctly, he earned 110k after taxes and had 120k in debt. He lived with his parents for 5 years and gave them most of his earnings. So it seems like he paid off 120k in debt and gave his family 430k over the course of 5 years while working his butt off 100 hours a week.

Supporting his family like that is truly admirable, but honestly I don’t see how this is a cautionary tale against going into debt to attend a prestigious college. His MIT degree opened the door to the job which enabled him to earn over half a million bucks in 5 years and provide significant aid to his family. I’m not seeing the connection between 120k in student debt and choosing to give away 400k to family.

I’m also confused that someone who had to help support his family to this extent, did not qualify for need based aid at MIT.

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@oldfort He said that he lived with his parents who kindly did not ask for rent. Am I missing where he said that he gave his parents a lot of money? Where did he say that? I may have missed that.

He also indicated that his parents’ income was too high for him to get aid.


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OP didn't get to live rent free with his parents. He paid 2/3 of net earnings to his parents. If he didn't, he would have paid off his loans the first year.

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I think his money went to something else? Not sure. this seems to make no sense…


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My post-tax income was around $110k, and I would put more than a third of it into paying off loans.

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Where did the other $60k+ go?