Once a Dynamo, the Tech Sector Is Slow to Hire (NYT)

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<p>This is rule that I.T. consultants and contractors live by. We have always known this. This why every so often I have to get rid of technical books that I paid $60, $70 and $80 from my home because they are not worth anything anymore. They are versions behind. </p>

<p>This is why every 3 years, I have to find some $1000-$2000 course to “re-up” my PMP certifications.</p>

<p>But it is not just for engineering…</p>

<p>I have friends who are accountants and they have to be current with the changing tax laws and provisions. I have friends who work in sales/marketing of large corporations and they have written/verbal tests that must be taken to keep current.</p>

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<p>I was recruited after one year of college. A headhunter asked me to
come to their office and I did so. I didn’t have a resume (didn’t
really know what a resume was) so they asked me a bunch of questions
and prepared a resume for me. They found me a job and I was in. I
have had several jobs but most of them were by word of mouth and
networking. I think that I didn’t even have to provide a resume for
most of the jobs that I’ve had.</p>

<p>My last interview was in 1994 - I didn’t take the job. The interview
prior to that where I did have to send a resume was in the mid-1980s.</p>

<p>I’ve never been without work after age 14. Just lucky I guess.</p>

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<p>I don’t know about always. But finance is about taking money from
others, doing something with it and pocketing a fee. I guess it works,
as long as there are others to take money from. There were hundreds
of thousands laid off in the banking crisis a few years ago and there
are a lot of bank vice-presidents and tellers that really don’t make
that much.</p>

<p>“Even worse than offshoring is the outflow of US tax money for grants used to fund foreign Ph.D.'s who these days inevitably return to their own countries and do not contribute a dime to the US economy.”</p>

<p>Good point. Universities like foreign students this way they can fill up their classes with students paying the higher, out of state tuition. Many universities do not want Americans because, with the lower tuition, they would go bankrupt. OR, even worse, they would need to require professors to work more than 15 hours a week!</p>

<p>"Oracle.</p>

<p>IBM."</p>

<p>That’s great that Oracle and IBM are addine new employees. However, you neglected to tell us WHICH country they are adding new employees in. Talk to some techies (or read some tech articles) and they will tell you what “IBM” really stands for. HINT: The “I” does not stand for “International.”</p>

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<p>State Universities have varying mandates on how many OOS students they can admit, and private institutions don’t care if you’re instate, or not. Besides, many Americans are OOS, not just foreign students. Not sure, therefore, how you can equate OOS with “unversities liking foreign students”. If anything, it’s the other way around, with foreign students liking US universities.</p>

<p>"> Even when the economy improves, the jobs that have bene outsourced are</p>

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<p>Some of those jobs have already come back."</p>

<p>Be specific.</p>

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<p>You also would not be qualified to be a teacher since you would need</p>

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<p>“Philips Exeter in NH, one of the best private schools in the country,
doesn’t require you to be a certified teacher to teach there.”</p>

<p>Well, I guess I am wrong if one school in NH does not require their teachers to be certified. I guess you never heard of No Child Left Behind…</p>

<p>“I guess that you didn’t read the latest employment report.”</p>

<p>I did. I guess you must have read a different employment report than I did.</p>

<p>Actually Balthezar, at some schools, international students pay even more than the out of state tuition. Plus American students don’t do engienering PhD programs because they can make far more going to med school.</p>

<p>Also, just because one does not know of any unemployed engieners does not mean they are not out there. Go to some of the Rust Belt States or the states that saw massive housing bubbles, and I guarantee you that there will be plenty of them there.</p>

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<p>Your ■■■■■■■■ is growing weak.</p>

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<p>I think this is only for undergrad, not for graduate school. Top public graduate schools like University of Wisconsin-Madison, UC-Berkeley and U-Michigan (even a tier lower, U MN or TAMU) enroll a very large percent of their students out of state because especially at the Ph.D. level schools want to have the most talented people they can admit much more than they want in-state people. Also in-state tuition is not a barrier for students attending the programs as most Ph.D. and thesis-oriented MS students are supported by TA, RA, or Fellowship.</p>

<p>International admissions is a different beast and I believe it is far more competitive than admissions for US students. Public schools pay almost double the cost to support international graduate students than for American students. Despite this “limitation”, international students are doing well and populate the majority of US graduate engineering programs (especially Ph.D.) and they are moving out. The Visa system and other policies are keeping some of the best of them out of the country and we must wonder why so few Americans enroll in these programs.</p>

<p>I think this is a major sign that America’s talent pool will inevitably decline as the best scientists and researchers increasingly do not choose to live in America and as very few Americans decide to pursue these fields (which made America wealthy).</p>

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<p>Private schools don’t care whether you’re in-state or out-of-state.</p>

<p>With public schools, the universities cover your graduate education if
you TA or do research for a professor. Are you actually paying for your
own graduate education?</p>

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<p>IBM is hiring in MA. I know this as a fact.</p>

<p>Oracle is hiring in the US. I know this as a fact.</p>

<p>Amazon is hiring in WA. I know this as a fact.</p>

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<p>You made a premise, a universal quantifier to be exact. The burden of
proof is upon you to prove that no jobs that are outsourced are ever
coming back.</p>

<p>But to humor you and show that your entire statement is false, here
we go:</p>

<p>Example 1:</p>

<p>Verizon used to run the phone landlines in NH, Maine and Vermont along
with many other states. This included DSL and FiOS service. Verizon
sold the landline business to Fairpoint Communications several years
ago. Verizon’s tech support for DSL is in India. Fairpoint’s support
is domestic.</p>

<p>Example 2:</p>

<p>Several years ago, Dell moved tech support to India. Retail and business
customers complained about the poor quality of service. HP (with tech
support in the United States) was eating Dell’s lunch around 2005. Dell
moved their US Business tech support back to the US. They, did, however
leave the retail support in India. For this reason, I buy from Dell’s
business divisions. Many others that I know do the same thing.</p>

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<p>Our local charter school doesn’t require certified teachers. Private
and charter schools in general don’t require certified teachers.</p>

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<p>Where were the major job losses then? Weren’t they in the government
sector?</p>

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<p>Someone forgot to tell the American Phd engineers that I work with.</p>

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<p>Of course. And my state has a low unemployment rate too.</p>

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<p>There are many that like to live in the same place as it goes into the
toilet. This is irrational to me but that’s the way it is.</p>

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<p>Not a choice really. People don’t want to make a huge loss on their property and are cautiously optimistic that the economy will improve and that their home prices will rise back again (which it likely won’t). I mean, eventually reality will strike hard and they will have no option but to move to an area with more jobs but in the meantime, people are naturally hesitant.</p>

<p>We traders have a saying: always take a loss to avoid a bigger loss. The politics board is the place for real estate discussions.</p>

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<p>I only personally know of a few people that had their jobs outsourced
to India. The work is currently done in the US so I assume that the
work came back.</p>

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<p>Homer used a universal quantifier. I merely provided one example
which breaks his universal quantifier.</p>

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<p>Government layoffs lead to big job losses</p>

<p>A net total of 159,000 government jobs were lost in September. Local
governments cut 76,000 jobs last month, most of them teachers. That’s
the largest cut by local governments in 28 years. About 77,000
temporary federal census jobs ended and state governments shed 7,000
jobs.</p>

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<p>No, it isn’t.</p>