<p>So your saying that all the diamons are earth were created using an acceletated process</p>
<p>Also it takes a long time for a diamond to decay (sometime in the millions of years), yet we have found decayed diamonds in the earths crust. I can understand that you may not beleive in evolution, but saying that the earth is 30000 years old is sciencetific blastpheomy.</p>
<p>"sciencetific blastpheomy"?</p>
<p>You know, people tend to measure intelligence according to mastery of the language, the most obvious of which is spelling...you risk seriously hurting your credibility if you spell like that...</p>
<p>However, a 30K-yr-old Earth is not scientific blasphemy. Please explain why it takes millions of years for a diamond to decay, especially since we don't have millions of years to verify it. Even a cursory knowledge of statistics should tell you that we are notoriously bad at extrapolation.</p>
<p>millions years ago, an fleet of spaceships descented on earth.they destroyed Dinosaours with their planetary cannons, and let their creations - primates, and specifically humans, roam the earth.</p>
<p>5000 years ago, they came again.</p>
<p>they performed many miracles, and taught the primative human many things. the primative human recorded many of their feats, but could not understand the SCIENCE behind them. so they called them, God.</p>
<p>Maybe this fleet would come again.</p>
<p>Think about this, when you show something highly advanced (technologically) to a child, (provide that child can write), what would he write down? what would he think of you? A God.</p>
<p>What would a native tribe think when they see the blast of a thermonuclear weapon? A feat from God? To us it's fusion between the atoms.</p>
<p>What would a native tribe think of jet fighters, computers?</p>
<p>Almost all feats achieved by God in Bible maybe achieved with technology.</p>
<p>Personally, I do think evolution on earth does not have enough time to produce human, thus the human race might have been created, modeling another intelligent race.</p>
<p>Mind you, Sun is a 4th generation star, a 1st generation star, created billion years ago, fit well in the time frame of EVOLUTION, and created the highly intelligent space faring race which created US.</p>
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millions years ago, an fleet of spaceships descented on earth.they destroyed Dinosaours with their planetary cannons, and let their creations - primates, and specifically humans, roam the earth.</p>
<p>5000 years ago, they came again.</p>
<p>they performed many miracles, and taught the primative human many things. the primative human recorded many of their feats, but could not understand the SCIENCE behind them. so they called them, God.</p>
<p>Maybe this fleet would come again.</p>
<p>Think about this, when you show something highly advanced (technologically) to a child, (provide that child can write), what would he write down? what would he think of you? A God.</p>
<p>What would a native tribe think when they see the blast of a thermonuclear weapon? A feat from God? To us it's fusion between the atoms.</p>
<p>What would a native tribe think of jet fighters, computers?</p>
<p>Almost all feats achieved by God in Bible maybe achieved with technology.</p>
<p>Personally, I do think evolution on earth does not have enough time to produce human, thus the human race might have been created, modeling another intelligent race.</p>
<p>Mind you, Sun is a 4th generation star, a 1st generation star, created billion years ago, fit well in the time frame of EVOLUTION, and created the highly intelligent space faring race which created US.
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<p>Numbers please?</p>
<p>"Big bang" supposedly occurred around 10^10 years ago. Mathematicians estimate that evolution as evolutionists depicts requires 10^40 years to occur. Hmm...</p>
<p>""Big bang" supposedly occurred around 10^10 years ago. Mathematicians estimate that evolution as evolutionists depicts requires 10^40 years to occur. Hmm..."</p>
<p>who created God?</p>
<p>"Almost all feats achieved by God in Bible maybe achieved with technology."</p>
<p>Even Joshua and the sun standing still? Hezekiah and time moving backwards? The declaration that the age cap for humans is 120 years? The prediction within the Gospel that there will be people who will attribute the wonders of God to chance?</p>
<p>No one created God. We can't explain the existence of God, just like you can't explain what created the Big Bang. So...I say "In the beginning God...", you say "In the beginning dirt..."</p>
<p>God placed limitations on our powers of human reasoning. Therefore, we cannot fully comprehend the concept of infinity, of which God is composed...</p>
<p>Perhaps humans were created. But it's doubtful that it's from an all powerful being who is all good. That just sounds like BS that humans have made up. There is no such thing as good or evil, it's an opinion just like hot or cold. If someone killed Bush I would consider the assassin good, but a Republican would consider the assassin bad.</p>
<p>As for the slim chance that something could happen, given enough time it will happen. We only find things significant because if they didn't happen specifically that way, we wouldn't be appreciating them.</p>
<p>If we ate sand we might comment on how convenient that erosion exists to sustain our lives. We might attribute it to something godly. But we don't eat sand. So it's nothing significant. </p>
<p>But people do evolve. Just look at people from 300 years ago and now. We've changed to become taller and our brains have grown larger. So what's to stop monkeys from becoming humans? I think this idea is so vehemently rejected because so many people have the notion that monkeys are stupid. Think of terms like "monkey business" and "monkeying around". Certainly not very positive. So people might be subconsciously insulted that we came from these primates.</p>
<p>And IF we were created, I don't think this creator cares about worship. That's pretty weak of some all powerful being if they need their creation to suck up to them on a daily basis. </p>
<p>It's true we can't prove everything. But we don't believe stuff with weak proof like a book written thousands of years ago and on top of that, translated. I've gone up to many people and told them I'm Jesus and that they should worship me. Nobody ever believed me. But with this concept of "God can do anything," my being Jesus would be just as plausible as Jesus actually existing. After all, supposedly God takes on many forms. </p>
<p>So I, Jesus, command you people to get off College Confidential, and go see Star Wars Episode III. The force compels you.</p>
<p>I don't attribute God's wonder to chance. (I perfer to call God the Ancients, or an ancient intelligent race)</p>
<p>I attribute the ancient's wonder to their superior technology. The sun standing still? i would suppose that the sun can stand still if a super space ship blocked the sun and people on the earth start seeing its fusion engines.</p>
<p>maybe their ship was departing, and they choose to suck all power from the sun to power up a worm hole?</p>
<p>Time flies backward? Let's say the capital ship of their fleet has a blackhole on board, or just go by worm hole. </p>
<p>Declaration of human's age cap? They designed us, they cap our age.</p>
<p>"The prediction within the Gospel that there will be people who will attribute the wonders of God to chance?"</p>
<p>Of course, those are not chance events. They are created by highly sophsicated technology that takes millions of years to master.</p>
<p>Im sory i didnt go to nazi spelling camps, i will be the first to admit that i cant spell for crap.</p>
<p>But to say that the earth is only 30000 would be to disregard a large portion of science. How do you explain the grand canyon, mountains, the ice age?</p>
<p>give me more feats, I can tell you, in the realm of science, they are possible, and some of them are already possible with current technology.</p>
<p>Grand Canyon + Mountains formed after the Flood, when the enormous pressure of water across the world caused the plates to mesh...Grand Canyon actually formed via a large torrent of water, which can be proven as follows:
Grand Canyon's sides are narrow, yet the Colorado River winds greatly through it. One attests to a young river, the other to an old river. The Colorado River thus cannot be the creator, since it creates a contradiction.
Colorado River enters Grand Canyon at like 2000 ft above sea level. Top of Grand Canyon is at 7000 ft above sea level. How did the Colorado River carve something that is higher than it is? If canyons were formed from rivers, the rivers must enter at a point higher than the canyon rim.</p>
<p>Ice Age = artifacts of Flood. The ice canopy was shattered by an asteroid and rained down on earth. That also explains the tilt of the Earth. It also explains the size of dinosaurs: Ice canopy = hyperbaric conditions = greatly accelerated growth</p>
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the second law of thermodynamics states:</p>
<p>Every system, left to its own devices, always tends to move from ORDER TO DISORDER, its energy tending to be transformed into lower levels of availability (for work), ultimately becoming totally random and unavailable for work.
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<p>Ahem AP Chemistry students out there...I'm sure you remember this:</p>
<p>[delta]G = [delta]H - T[delta]S (all deltas standard)</p>
<p>The formation of amino acids I'm sure is an endothermic process, so H is positive. If T is high enough, then the Gibbs free energy would be negative, meaning that the reaction is spontaneous. Temperature can go very high since the earth was very volcanic back then, meaning that delta G (and thus the formation of amino acids) is a spontaneous process.</p>
<p>And this is from a NON-BIO student</p>
<p>Owned.</p>
<p>"I don't attribute God's wonder to chance. (I perfer to call God the Ancients, or an ancient intelligent race)"</p>
<p>You've been watching too much Stargate lol</p>
<p>"Time flies backward? Let's say the capital ship of their fleet has a blackhole on board, or just go by worm hole."</p>
<p>Even Stephen Hawking admits that black holes and wormholes can't do that.</p>
<p>"Ahem AP Chemistry students out there...I'm sure you remember this:</p>
<p>[delta]G = [delta]H - T[delta]S (all deltas standard)</p>
<p>the formation of amino acids I'm sure is an endothermic process, so H is positive. If T is low enough, then the Gibbs free energy would be positive, meaning the reaction is spontaneous. Temperature can go that low since the temperature in outer space is around 2 or 3 K average, meaning that amino acids can form even though entropy is positive.</p>
<p>And this is from a NON-BIO student"</p>
<p>Congrats, you just failed the AP Chem exam.</p>
<p>Gibbs free energy must be negative for the reaction to be spontaneous</p>
<p>And by the way, I am a CS student, not BIO or CHEM</p>
<p>well, maybe the primative human recorded something wrong. Again, I can do some pretty simple trick to a kid and make him believe I just did a timewrap.</p>
<p>"Even Stephen Hawking admits that black holes and wormholes can't do that."</p>
<p>someone used to say airplane is impossible.</p>
<p>"the formation of amino acids I'm sure is an endothermic process, so H is positive. If T is low enough, then the Gibbs free energy would be positive, meaning the reaction is spontaneous. Temperature can go that low since the temperature in outer space is around 2 or 3 K average, meaning that amino acids can form even though entropy is positive.</p>
<p>And this is from a NON-BIO student"</p>
<p>Congrats, you just failed the AP Chem exam.</p>
<p>Gibbs free energy must be negative for the reaction to be spontaneous"</p>
<p>the reaction maybe sponteanous even if entropy is increasing, go read your textbooks.</p>
<p>you have failed your chem test also. Mind you I am a current university-level bio major.</p>
<p>It was Stephen Hawking who originally supported it with all of his efforts...and even he turned his back on it</p>
<p>And he has the calculations to prove it</p>
<p>"someone used to say airplane is impossible"
Those someones are usually people like us...the members of the scientific community worked on it, while the public (i.e., us) derided it</p>
<p>concerning the subject of blackhole, Hawking admitted that the so called "Blackhole evaporation" does not exist, he never said blackhole or wormhole can't exist.</p>
<p>Go read up</p>
<p>also hawking rarely publish calculations, he do them in his head. he is not very effective at getting those lengthy calculation out, he only tells you the results.</p>
<p>"the reaction maybe sponteanous even if entropy is increasing, go read your textbooks."</p>
<p>delta-G must ALWAYS be negative for the reaction to be spontaneous
If you take the time to actually read the posts, we are talking about a reaction where entropy DECREASES.
The formation of an amino acid results in the reduction of entropy. Whether or not it is exothermic, I don't know. THAT'S the deciding factor.</p>
<p>"you have failed your chem test also. Mind you I am a current university-level bio major."</p>
<p>I can see why you chose bio instead of chem</p>