<p>Yea. i realized that i really need to find some match schools that excel in the science area, but i dont know any besides johns hopkins, carnegie mellon, etc. (is georgetown, boston college and williams good at science too?) So i was wondering whether you know any other pretty selective yet not as difficult as ivies, mit, stanford, etc. schools. Thanks for any advice!</p>
<p>University of California, Berkeley
University of California, Los Angeles
University of Wisconsin, Madison
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor</p>
<p>Look at the CC Top Uni's forum - most if not all of the universities there have top science programs.</p>
<p>UCSD was rated "hottest for science" by Newsweek.</p>
<p>My bad... I definitely didn't mean to exclude UCSD</p>
<p>Harvey Mudd</p>
<p>caltech of course</p>
<p>Cal Tech is about as hard to get into as Ivies, MIT, Stanford, etc.</p>
<p>Are you taking about hard sciences or engineering?</p>
<p>Most "sciency" schools I know are actually probably strongest at engineering. Anyway, a list along with how hard it is to get in:</p>
<p>Tier 1: Olin, Cal Tech</p>
<p>Tier 2: Harvey Mudd, UC Berkeley, U Michigan, Carnegie Mellon, UCLA, UCSD, Johns Hopkins, WUSTL (I think)</p>
<p>Tier 3: Purdue, Cal Poly SLO, Georgia Tech</p>
<p>Here are the 100 colleges an universities that have the highest percentage of their graduates going on to get a PhD in science, math, or engineering over the most recent 10 year period. It might give you some good ideas:</p>
<p>PhDs per 1000 graduates </p>
<p>Academic field: All Engineering, Hard Science, and Math<br>
PhDs and Doctoral Degrees:
ten years (1994 to 2003) from NSF database</p>
<p>Number of Undergraduates:
ten years (1989 to 1998) from IPEDS database</p>
<p>Formula: Total PhDs divided by Total Grads</p>
<p>Note: Does not include colleges with less than 1000 graduates over the ten year period </p>
<p>1 California Institute of Technology 34%
2 Harvey Mudd College 24%
3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 16%
4 Reed College 10%
5 Rice University 9%
6 Swarthmore College 8%
7 Princeton University 8%
8 Carleton College 7%
9 New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology 7%
10 University of Chicago 7%
11 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 7%
12 Case Western Reserve University 7%
13 Harvard University 6%
14 Carnegie Mellon University 6%
15 Johns Hopkins University 6%
16 Haverford College 6%
17 Grinnell College 6%
18 Cornell University, All Campuses 6%
19 Kalamazoo College 5%
20 Stanford University 5%
21 Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology 5%
22 Yale University 5%
23 Cooper Union 5%
24 Oberlin College 5%
25 Lawrence University 5%
26 Bryn Mawr College 5%
27 Williams College 5%
28 Pomona College 5%
29 Colorado School of Mines 4%
30 Bowdoin College 4%
31 Earlham College 4%
32 Brown University 4%
33 University of Rochester 4%
34 University of California-Berkeley 4%
35 Wabash College 4%
36 Duke University 4%
37 Worcester Polytechnic Institute 4%
38 Amherst College 4%
39 Stevens Institute of Technology 4%
40 St Olaf College 4%
41 Hendrix College 4%
42 Beloit College 4%
43 University of Missouri, Rolla 4%
44 University of California-San Francisco 4%
45 Occidental College 4%
46 Alfred University, Main Campus 4%
47 Allegheny College 4%
48 Whitman College 4%
49 College of Wooster 4%
50 SUNY College of Environmental Sci & Forestry 4%
51 Mount Holyoke College 4%
52 Bates College 4%
53 College of William and Mary 4%
54 Knox College 4%
55 Franklin and Marshall College 3%
56 Georgia Institute of Technology, Main Campus 3%
57 Washington University 3%
58 Long Island University Southampton Campus 3%
59 Macalester College 3%
60 University of California-San Diego 3%
61 Dartmouth College 3%
62 Wellesley College 3%
63 Trinity University 3%
64 Juniata College 3%
65 Ripon College 3%
66 University of California-Davis 3%
67 Florida Institute of Technology 3%
68 Polytechnic University 3%
69 Michigan Technological University 3%
70 Columbia University in the City of New York 3%
71 Lehigh University 3%
72 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 3%
73 Centre College 3%
74 Hampshire College 3%
75 University of Pennsylvania 3%
76 Wesleyan University 3%
77 University of Michigan at Ann Arbor 3%
78 Colorado College 3%
79 Bucknell University 3%
80 Davidson College 3%
81 Northwestern Univ 3%
82 Texas Lutheran University 3%
83 St John's College (both campus) 3%
84 Furman University 3%
85 Hope College 3%
86 Clarkson University 2%
87 University of Virginia, Main Campus 2%
88 Illinois Institute of Technology 2%
89 Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State Univ 2%
90 Union College (Schenectady, NY) 2%
91 University of California-Santa Cruz 2%
92 Lafayette College 2%
93 Brandeis University 2%
94 University of Dallas 2%
95 Rhodes College 2%
96 University of Notre Dame 2%
97 Middlebury College 2%
98 University of Wisconsin-Madison 2%
99 Colgate University 2%
100 Hiram College 2%</p>
<p>I think Harvey Mudd should be a tier 1, vicissitudes.</p>
<p>Northwestern has a top-10 chemistry program.</p>
<p>Consider these sometimes overlooked (or not widely known out of their region) life sciences departments;</p>
<p>Rensalear Polytechnic Institute, NY
Hood College, MD
Worcester Polytechnic Institute, MA
Indiana University-Bloomington
Ohio University
Ohio Wesleyan University
George Washington University
Virginia Tech</p>
<p>Duke, one of best undergrads for pre-med/science/bme, not as hard to get into as HYPSM</p>
<p>haha, I got into an HYPSM (the only one I applied to), but not into Duke....:) you never know...</p>
<p>Anyways, Purdue is excellent, along with GaTech, which is actually getting harder to get into. Case Western is also an up and coming engineering university.</p>
<p>
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Here are the 100 colleges an universities that have the highest percentage of their graduates going on to get a PhD in science, math, or engineering over the most recent 10 year period. It might give you some good ideas:
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This is a reasonable approach, but there is one point worth mentioning. Most of the LACs on this list (with a few exceptions, notably Swarthmore and Mudd) don't have engineering programs, and therefore relatively few graduates get PhDs in engineering. If the list only addressed science and math PhDs specifically (and did not include engineering PhDs) then most LACs would rank significantly higher.</p>
<p>Furman has a state-of-the-art chem dept, if that's what you're interested in.</p>
<p>Corbett:</p>
<p>Fair enough. Here's the list for Math and Science PhDs, not counting any Engineering PhDs.</p>
<p>PhDs per graduate </p>
<p>Academic field: Science and Math (no engineering) </p>
<p>PhDs and Doctoral Degrees: ten years (1994 to 2003) from NSF database </p>
<p>Number of Undergraduates: ten years (1989 to 1998) from IPEDS database </p>
<p>Formula: Total PhDs divided by Total Grads </p>
<p>Note: Does not include colleges with less than 1000 graduates over the ten year period </p>
<p>1 California Institute of Technology 23.2%
2 Harvey Mudd College 18.3%
3 Reed College 10.0%
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 9.6%
5 Carleton College 7.1%
6 Swarthmore College 7.0%
7 University of Chicago 6.8%
8 New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology 6.3%
9 Rice University 6.2%
10 Harvard University 6.0%
11 Princeton University 5.7%
12 Haverford College 5.7%
13 Grinnell College 5.2%
14 Kalamazoo College 5.1%
15 Yale University 4.7%
16 Oberlin College 4.6%
17 Bryn Mawr College 4.4%
18 Williams College 4.3%
19 Lawrence University 4.3%
20 Stanford University 4.2%
21 Bowdoin College 4.2%
22 Pomona College 4.2%
23 Cornell University, All Campuses 4.1%
24 Earlham College 4.1%
25 Johns Hopkins University 4.1%
26 Wabash College 4.1%
27 Case Western Reserve University 3.9%
28 Amherst College 3.9%
29 Beloit College 3.7%
30 University of California-San Francisco 3.6%
31 St Olaf College 3.6%
32 Brown University 3.6%
33 Hendrix College 3.5%
34 Mount Holyoke College 3.4%
35 College of Wooster 3.4%
36 Occidental College 3.4%
37 Knox College 3.4%
38 University of Rochester 3.4%
39 College of William and Mary 3.4%
40 Whitman College 3.3%
41 Allegheny College 3.3%
42 Bates College 3.3%
43 SUNY College of Environmental Sci & Forestry 3.3%
44 Carnegie Mellon University 3.3%
45 Franklin and Marshall College 3.3%
46 Long Island University Southampton Campus 3.2%
47 Juniata College 3.2%
48 Wellesley College 3.2%
49 Macalester College 3.1%
50 University of California-Berkeley 3.1%
51 Ripon College 3.1%
52 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 2.9%
53 Duke University 2.9%
54 University of California-San Diego 2.7%
55 Trinity University 2.7%
56 Dartmouth College 2.7%
57 Hampshire College 2.7%
58 Centre College 2.6%
59 University of California-Davis 2.6%
60 Wesleyan University 2.6%
61 Texas Lutheran University 2.6%
62 Colorado College 2.5%
63 Furman University 2.5%
64 Washington University 2.4%
65 Davidson College 2.4%
66 St John's College (both campus) 2.4%
67 Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology 2.4%
68 Brandeis University 2.3%
69 Hope College 2.3%
70 University of California-Santa Cruz 2.3%
71 Fisk University 2.3%
72 University of Dallas 2.2%
73 Middlebury College 2.2%
74 Bucknell University 2.2%
75 Columbia University in the City of New York 2.2%
76 Smith College 2.2%
77 Erskine College 2.2%
78 Rhodes College 2.2%
79 Hiram College 2.2%
80 Albertson College 2.2%
81 Northland College 2.1%
82 Stevens Institute of Technology 2.1%
83 Colgate University 2.1%
84 Worcester Polytechnic Institute 2.0%
85 University of Pennsylvania 2.0%
86 Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science 2.0%
87 Gustavus Adolphus College 2.0%
88 Texas A&M University at Galveston 2.0%
89 Vassar College 2.0%
90 Bethel College (North Newton, KS) 2.0%
91 Florida Institute of Technology 2.0%</p>
<p>Second RPI</p>
<p>It's one of the best programs out there for people interested in different areas of sciences
<a href="http://www.isp.northwestern.edu/about_isp/about_isp.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.isp.northwestern.edu/about_isp/about_isp.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.isp.northwestern.edu/alum...etter_2005.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.isp.northwestern.edu/alum...etter_2005.pdf</a> has brief biographies of the 2005 ISP graduates. Most them had carried out independent research with their journal articles being published. </p>
<p>ISP is supposed to be just a 3-yr program! But many ISP students do double major:
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Although listed in a three-year format, many students spread the program over four years, often to combine an ISP major with a second major in a more traditional (i.e., Chemistry, Mathematics, Physics) department. Double majors in other areas such as economics are possible as well.
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