<p>Quick question, I e-mailed the college but got no reply. </p>
<p>If I were to be admitted as an out-of-state transfer, would out-of-state fees apply for the duration of my enrollment, or would fees change to in-state after a year or so? </p>
<p>Thanks.
-A</p>
<p>You would have to establish residency, there should be a list somewhere on there site with the details, it si not easy, but not horrid.</p>
<p>They ask about DL, tax return, banking info, a biggie is whether or not you go "home" for the summer, etc. If you really become a CA resident, you can usually get in state fees 12 months later.</p>
<p>I would really be living there as I have no "home for the summer." I'd be living off-campus with my boyfriend if I do indeed get in. Also, I am not a dependent, and none of the money to pay for school would come from my parents. I will try to find the info online, but didn't see anything about changing status once enrolled. If you have a link that'd be great! </p>
<p>Thanks!
-A</p>
<p>chemeng1: Since you're not a resident, you may not be aware that California has an on-going financial crisis. The educational system has had its budget cut and is having a difficult time just educating the sons and daughters of the state's tax payers. With all that in mind, it's hard to be sympathetic with your position.</p>
<p>If Chemeng1 is really moving to California, why not get eh resident rates and know ahead of time what needs to be done, every single illegal in Cali has resident rates, if this kid is really going to make it her home, she can do it too.</p>
<p>here is the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://registrar.berkeley.edu/Res.html%5B/url%5D">http://registrar.berkeley.edu/Res.html</a></p>
<p>Thank you, Somemom:) </p>
<p>I may not even be lucky enough to be admitted to Berkeley, but if I am I will post back to let you know:D </p>
<p>joemama, i'm sorry to hear of the financial crisis. I am not asking for your sympathy, however. What I was asking for was technical information about how Berkeley determines its fees. </p>
<p>btw, My mother couldn't afford my education, and she payed taxes all her life. Of course, Florida doesn't have "state" taxes. But, I was born in Cali, and so my mother has, at some point, payed Cali taxes. I myself have been paying federal income tax for 8 years and won't qualify for jack in financial assistance because i'm too old to be a dependent. Unfortunately, I make too much to qualify for assistance, but too little to make ends meet and realistically afford an education. Just an fyi. </p>
<p>Thanks!
-A</p>
<p>somemom and chemeng1: Nothing against anybody personally but consider: Every time an out of state students is admitted to Berkeley, a qualified resident is displaced. Every year a lot of kids with 1500+ SATs and 4.0 gpa are rejected by Berkeley. Many of them have parents who have lived in the State and paid State taxes(the taxes the pay for most of the UC budget) for 10 to 20+ years. This seems wrong to me. </p>
<p>Anyway, good luck to you. If Berkeley doesn't work out, there are a number of Cal State schools and Community Colleges in the Bay area that might do...some of which might feed into Berkeley.</p>
<p>Well, I wrote a lengthy reply, but it was erased. To be quick about it, your point is moot. There are better students from out-of-state that will not get into Berkeley because lesser in-state students will instead receive the spot. This could be argued either way. Just because a kid has a 4.0 gpa, and some community service and awesome <em>standardized</em> test score does not speak highly to me (and maybe not to those Adcoms, either.) Standardized tests mean jack in the real world, and some have more time/money to devote to them than others, so cry me a river about the kid with a 1500 that didn't get in. [note my tiny violin playing for them] </p>
<p>And, as a side note, I am a Junior transfer, so I won't be transferring to a community college. I do, however, have some very good "backup" schools and will not be down in the dumps if I don't get into Berkeley. I will make the most of my education, regardless, just as any other student who doesn't get into their top choice should do. I would be delighted to attend Cal, but since i'm not the typical student admitted to the school i'm not counting on it. </p>
<p>Take care.
-A</p>
<p>Chemeng, if you are transferring, you may not have much time left to be considered a resident. In one spot it sounded like it could take 2 years to be considered a resident, depending on your age.</p>
<p>Joemama: yah, I agree, it is a bit of a conundrum. The other intersting thing about state schools is that most states provide some grant $- whether that be need based (Cal Grant) or that merit thing in GA/TN. Yet, these are ony good in state, so that system prevents CA kids from heading out to other states. Wouldn't it be interesting if CA students could take a Cal grant elsewhere and if there was no state fee penalty? Would the same number of kids come to the various states? Would something like this encourage a brain drain in lower achieving state systems and cause them to improve? OR would they all simply flock to the UCs, UVA, WI, MI?</p>
<p>chemeng1: don't agree with much that you wrote. but thanks for the violin concerto. </p>
<p>somemom: interesting ideas.</p>
<p>"Chemeng, if you are transferring, you may not have much time left to be considered a resident. In one spot it sounded like it could take 2 years to be considered a resident, depending on your age."</p>
<p>Somemom, I read it that I need to be financially independent (which I am under many/all of their requirements), and need to establish an intent to be a permanent resident 1 year prior to enrollment for the semester I wish to claim residency for. So, there is no way that I can be considered resident for tuition purposes for Fall '05 or Spring '06, but if I move out prior to Fall '05 and establish residency by their rules, then I would qualify for Fall '06 for resident rates. Does that sound right? </p>
<p>Plus, as much as i'd love to live there, I am not counting on getting in, so definitely couldn't move until I got in. </p>
<p>Thanks again.
-A</p>
<p>If the people who pay for the college (taxpayers) want their kids (in state residents) to get a better deal, that is who should get a better deal. California should close this loophole for the wealthy who can send a kid here, not declare them on their income tax and then get the cheaper ride. </p>
<p>California, should increase the number of UCs so there is more space for out of state students who are willing to pay out of state tuition. California residents don't get a break going to the state schools at Cornell, people shouldn't come here with the intention of playing the system.</p>
<p>"If the people who pay for the college (taxpayers) want their kids (in state residents) to get a better deal, that is who should get a better deal."</p>
<p>I can understand this stance. </p>
<p>"California should close this loophole for the wealthy who can send a kid here, not declare them on their income tax and then get the cheaper ride. "</p>
<p>It appears that these weathy individuals would need to have a kid that is > 18 who has not been claimed for >2 years on their parents income tax, and can prove that they are independent. If this student does that, then why should their parents, wealthy or not, even be considered? </p>
<p>"California, should increase the number of UCs so there is more space for out of state students who are willing to pay out of state tuition. "</p>
<p>There are plenty of UCs, no? I am not a resident there, but there appear to be a great deal of them. I think schools like Berkeley and UCLA are the ones that draw the most out-of-state student, though, due to the academic programs / research facilities being top notch. </p>
<p>"California residents don't get a break going to the state schools at Cornell, people shouldn't come here with the intention of playing the system."</p>
<p>So, a student coming from nowhere, USA should be stuck there because they can't afford to get a better education, right? I don't know, but somehow this logic is flawed in my eyes. I am from Florida, and the best engineering school here is UF, which is pretty low on the list of top schools for engineering. Yes, I could get a deal if I wanted to go to UF, but I would rather go to a school that is more recognized as a producer of industry leaders. Can I really be faulted for that? If we all pay taxes to the federal government, then why should my taxes be useless just because I don't want to go to a poorly rated school? Why can't I carry whatever scholarship opps i'd be given here to another state? How would you feel if the tables were turned, and Cali weren't home to Cal, UCLA, Stanford, etc, but instead you lived in nowhere, USA and you couldn't afford out-of-state tuition for your kids to come to Florida? You paid your taxes like a good little citizen, and now your kids don't get the same opportunities as the kids in other parts of our country do? Shouldn't there be more unity in the 50 states which are supposedly "United?"</p>
<p>-A</p>
<p>An interesting point about having more UCs...UC Merced opens soon and I have not noticed in any times, except last year, when people cannot get into a UC. Then after the big budget scare, kids were offered spots afterall, makes me wonder if it was really a big scare show for politics.</p>
<p>How many deserving kids do not get into UCs...UCR? UCM?</p>
<p>Also, why do we have so many kids in UCs and CSUs needing remedial reading or math. I have seen articles about other areas with the same problem, too many kids not entering university meeting basci standards. A UC that is supposed ot be the creme de la creme of the system is offering a remedial course in anything....why?! :(</p>
<p>Somemom, UCSD and UCD seem to be quite full too. To the extent that they do not take as many out of state students as could qualify. I don't know about the remedial reading and math programs at the UC institutions but I suspect they are used by limited people who have other talents. Certainly there are numerous kids with SAT scores over 1350 who do not get into the top UCs.</p>
<p>Chemeng, I don't know what others do about this problem, but four years ago,I moved my family from a state that had poor schools to the state that I thought had top schools. This seemed easier to me than trying to convince my state legislature to tax and spend more on education in my former state. I simply think that a person should come here and work for a year before they ask the tax payers to supplement their education and for the children of taxpayers to get out of the way.
But cheer up, with our governor, our education system won't be better than Florida's for long.</p>
<p>somemom: regarding remedial programs. As you should be aware, California has very large hispanic and asian populations. In many families, english is a second language. This does impact the educational system through ALL grades and college.</p>
<p>If the UCs were permitted to admit only the best prepared and highest performers who apply, there would be no need for remedial programs. However, in the name of diversity, many are admitted who are not perfectly prepared. </p>
<p>somemom: have you ever lived in CA?</p>
<p>To clarify the tax issue: FEDERAL Taxes do not support the UCs. You can pay your Fed taxes for 100 years you won't be contributing direct support to the UCs. The good citizens of California pay high STATE income taxes and high sales taxes and high property taxes that do support the UCs. </p>
<p>It's really very simple, no?</p>
<p>Joemama_ yes, I lived in CA all my life and travel on work to the Northwest.</p>
<p>I think Mr B is right, if you want the UCs for in state fees, you ahve to move there with the right timeliness. I have a friend who has been working overseas for years. She moved to CA, because that her job transferred her there. her oldest was in 11th grade and is now at a flagship UC as a resident. She did not choose to move to CA just for that, but the timing was excellent for her. She makes big bucks, really lives in CA, and pays lots of taxes. I have no problem with her doing that. This is what I was trying to convey above- not hat some one should work the system to cheat, but, if they genuinely are moving to CA and making a life, then they should beenfit. In reading that link posted above, it it fairly difficult to prove residency for a young person, I don't think the UCs make it easy to cheat.</p>
<p>My sidebar point was:Are the UCs turning away good CA students or just good out of state students? When we talk about the UCs being full, is that UCLA and CAl or all of them? I do know people (family) with 1300+ and good profiles who missed UCLA or Cal, but did get in elsewhere, this is very disappointing, but those schools are so choosy! I would like to think the out of state kids chosen had somethign more amazing to offer:)</p>
<p>Chemeng: If you are serious about becoming a resident, you could move here and establish residency knowing you will get into one of the UCs in time.</p>
<p>Somemom, in response to </p>
<p>" This is what I was trying to convey above- not hat some one should work the system to cheat, but, if they genuinely are moving to CA and making a life, then they should beenfit. "</p>
<p>I just want to say that I love California, and my plan isn't to move there and then move back to Fla once school is over, like many students. I would be moving there with my boyfriend. He would be furthering his own career and we would be living there and paying taxes like anyone else. And, if we hate it there after a few years, yeah, we'd think of moving. But, that is not our intention going into it. In fact, we've spoken about trying to buy property there, although it seems a long way off based on prices out there. </p>
<p>I am not the average transfer. I have already made a life for myself. I have owned property. I will be 24 when I transfer. </p>
<p>In response to the part about moving there and then getting into a UC, well, that isn't my intent. I don't want to just get into any UC. If I can't get into Berkeley, I will go to school in another state, and then if I decide to move to Cali it would be after graduation and is quite possible. </p>
<p>thx for all of the help and comments.
-A</p>
<p>I am thinking of going to a UC school (UCI, UCLA, UCSD). I am very certain I will be living in California reguardless of where I go to school after I graduate. Right now I'm not a resident, but it sounds awfully difficult to establish residency. My parents will not be moving with me, as much as they would like to since I have a brother in high school. </p>
<p>It seems like it is reasonable to ask for a CA drivers lisence, vehicle registration, and address, but who are they to say what you do over your summer? If I am paying California state taxes, I don't think they should dictate whether I have to live there in the summer. I would like to visit my parents for more than a few days at a time. Does anyone know if anyone will actually make sure you do not go home for the summer?</p>
<p>If you are going "home" for the summer, then would you not say that your parents home is indeed your home? I think that the rules are this way for the reason of keeping people from calling themselves residents, when they truly are only there while class is in. I don't know how they verify if you've been there over the summer, but likely that they will want Cali employment records for the summer or something to show that you are indeed residing there even when not in school. This is the distinction of resident for education purposes only, vs resident for all purposes i'd think. If you are truly a resident, then you would remain there for the bulk of your summer, employed or other, wouldn't you say? </p>
<p>Also, it seems that you would need to have established that you are in fact independent for 2 years prior to enrollment, so your parents can't have claimed you for 2 years, etc. If you can't qualify by those rules, then there is likely not much you can do about it. </p>
<p>-A</p>