<p>Fair enough, but I would submit that many (probably most ) freshman aren’t highly motivated. They just want to earn a decent salary without having to work particularly hard. Come on, yagottabelieve (and any other readers here) - I think you know it’s true. They want nothing more than that. Maybe that’s not what they should want. But, like it or not, that is what they want. </p>
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<p>I can’t speak for other countries, but I think it’s fair to say that the US government (as well as the state governments seem quite stable. </p>
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<p>I agree. But so what? As long as those government jobs continue to provide a steady paycheck with minimal risk, why should those particular employees care? Sure, it’s putting the government at large at risk, but so what? That’s not their problem. All they care about is that they’re earning a decent salary at minimum risk, guaranteed by their state constitutions, and whatever problems that engenders with the taxpayers is not their concern, right?</p>
<p>I have to say in areas such as military weapons they tend to keep it high tier engineers. They need quality engineers, the outsourcing will go to simpler programming. And it is always “said” programming will go to india, but they will need complex programmers. So I think there is always a need for superior educated programmers.</p>
<p>Hi. I am a high school senior currently thinking about majoring in CS in college. Are there any parts of CS that can’t be outsourced? I’ve heard networking and security are pretty safe but I’m not sure.</p>
<p>Also, if you had to choose between a BSE in Computer Science or a BBA in Information Systems, which would you say has better job oppurtunities and salary, both now and in the future? I’d appreciate any career or college advice you could give. Thanks.</p>
<p>National security jobs cannot be outsourced. That’s it. Anything can be outsourced as long as the work can be done remotely (meaning not local).
Computer science, for sure.</p>
<p>Don;t be afraid of outsourcing, friend. It’s happening, and will continue to exist. It’s a natural thing.</p>
<p>people constant pushing it. Actually I think that’s fine, it shows that the person google it (he’s serious about the problem), and the fact that he probably has read some pages, if not, all. and also that we don’t another new thread on the same damn question.</p>
<p>*US civil and defence aerospace major Boeing has decided to outsource two critical components of the F-18 Super Hornet combat aircraft to India *</p>
<p>Maini Global Aerospace (MGA) has bagged an outsourcing contract worth up to $10 million to make structural components for the extended range fuel cells of the Boeing P-8A Poseidon multi-mission maritime (MMR) aircraft.</p>
<p>The best place to get info on outsourcing in CS fields is by reading some of the fantastic research done by Norm Matloff at UC Davis. Here is an archive of his newsletters:</p>
<p>As you will see form reading through these pages, outsourcing is not the only problem. The rest of the problem lies with companies importing cheap labor through the H1-B visa system to take jobs away from higher paid Americans and the rampant age discrimination that exists in the field.</p>
<p>National security jobs CANNOT be outsourced. Trust me, if India get some work that is labeled “national security”, IT IS NOT REAL NATIONAL SECURITY WORK. </p>
<p>REAL national security work includes tasks that of course I cannot mention on here but TRUST ME, it would be things that would not leave the Fort Meade area…hell and in some cases not even rooms (depending on the classifications and compartments).</p>
<p>If India has something labeled as “national security work”, it’s something that the “Fort Meaders” do not care about.</p>
<p>Well those sorts of things aren’t really the real national security that I meant. They are like supply side.</p>
<p>First you can’t outsource the defense technology to another nation. The components can be supplied from India - as long as the company goes through the security check before using the components (or technology, if you wished). There are cases where they might find malicious codes.</p>
<p>The real national security will be the one that can only be done by the USA company, and that those technologies are not allowed to be sold. I think in general, most national security related tasks are still done by the Americans. You can’t risk to lose the contract and sue by the government. Whenever they outsource a partial contract, such as letting the Indian to take care of certain part of the designs, I believe they have to get consent from the DoD.</p>
<p>The placard looking for engineers outside one of the local BAE plants is still there. The positions that they are looking to fill are esoteric though and I suspect require a fair amount of research experience to get in the door for an interview.</p>
<p>ALso, if BAE was serious about hiring new engineers, they could give the job to one of the hundreds of engieners they have recently laid off. Google “BAE layoffs”</p>
<p>Good point, but Homer obviously thinks he knows more than any engineer on this board. I can’t wait until he gets a real job and stays occupied elsewhere.</p>
<p>The current administration is decreasing defense spending but apparently not at the facility I live near. They have these huge fields with all kinds of strange-looking objects in the fields. They are looking for people with Phds in optoelectronics - not something that you can exactly pick up off the street.</p>
<p>Getting a full time job will actually be harder than an internship because, unlike in an internship, you will be competing with people who have experience in the industry, even for entry level jobs.</p>
<p>“Getting a full time job will actually be harder than an internship because, unlike in an internship, you will be competing with people who have experience in the industry, even for entry level jobs.”</p>
<p>Depends really, if you graduated it may be hard in a sense that you no longer qualify for the internship position. In which case, getting a full time job, perhaps would be easier.</p>
<p>Hmmm, well I haven’t read this entire thread but scanning I do recall a few topics. As far as the demise of Alta Vista, it was more do to later management that hired a bunch of clock watchers instead of innovators. I find it a shame that all many people now care about is a pay check rather then the creative process, which may likely be our downfall.
It appears the meaning and intent of traditional American volunteerism JFK’s speech “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” has fallen on deaf ears with the majority these days. </p>
<p>I’m not convinced freshman can’t understanding computer science or software. I know here in Palo Alto, there are many companies, organizations, and events that purposely condition young entrepreneurs and computer whizzes at a very early age.</p>
<p>I don’t know how many are actually out of work but if you are a good CS person and know practically ALL of the following languages you can find work…</p>
<p>C# – I think this is one of the first to know and I’m still learning better scripting techniques
Java - still has many uses, not as interested anymore since think C# is better overall
JavaScript - I hated my JavaScript classes and dreaded ever having to code this in real life
BUT…for my tastes I want to get down ActionScript which is tolerable to me.
CSS -always good to know I think but after learning was easy to design with but limited
Phython - I really like Phython actually, and was using with anything from databases to PDA’s like ten years ago. It sort of almost died so stopped learning, then had this great rebirth. For me its a very logical type code and you get bonus points and dollars for knowing.
Perl (and PHP)- I like, it’s not as difficult as is boring to me, sort of flaked off my knowledge about.
I think that happened to me with the whole artistic aspect with clients which was frustrating when I was shooting for it being efficient and seen! So many places on top of the above want you to know the following code monkey stuff that bores the heck out of me…plus I dread social media.
Ruby on Rails
Django
AJAX
LAMP
and nearly all those other geek talk acronyms who abuse them more than the government does EXCEPT
Unix
and Linux! and oh yeah and the normal web code stuff, not that Dreamweaver nonsense. I also need to get down my VB.net stuff since comes in handy scripting map/GIS databases. Since am a certified CIS library tech also been doing XML stuff since the beginnings along with all that SEO/SEM stuff which I just think is high tech low life stuff and just because one wears a suit doesn’t necessarily mean its respectable.</p>
<p>Who I loath since am more of a database person is Oracle so never bothered with SQL which ended up hurting me in the long run but don’t care anymore since moved on to better things. Kinda the same way I felt when I was really into unix/linux 10 to 15 years ago and EVERYONE bought Windows since he was practically giving it away. To this day if you are a good Unix/Linux Administrator and likable you can get a job doing that here. My unix is a bit rusty these days but for the work and pay this is prolly what I’d do even though still hate Oracle and SQL even though don’t mind some of there RAC. Grrr, makes me want to just get my Cisco certification. </p>
<p>If you know this stuff at minimum you can make anywhere from 10 to 100 dollars an hour on average. I have to admit I am pretty amazed how many Indians have moved to Sunnyvale, Santa Clara, SJ, Cupertino and parts of Mt. View, Saratoga, and Los Gatos in the past 10 to 15 years. I don’t mind Indians in general and really like some but find others are a real pain in the arse. I think many, myself included, get along better with and working with the majority of Asians and Russians, whom are in a way kinda their competitors. Over the past decade, there have been tens(hundreds?) of thousands of jobs shipped overseas(in SV alone) or basically just put up for auction, contract, or third party corporate agency scumbags who can take up to half to 2/3’s which I think should be illegal.</p>