<p>So said Dean Furda at a Penn alumni reception in India.</p>
<p>That would be a roughly 10% increase over the previous year?</p>
<p>FINALLY.</p>
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<p>ilovebagels was probably there. Good news!</p>
<p>Not to rain on the parade, but this appears to be a case of a rising tide lifting all boats. Meanwhile, the percentage increases at Brown, Chicago, Duke, etc., are even greater. Still, at least Penn’s applicant number didn’t stagnate–AGAIN–this year.</p>
<p>And Furda’s visit (along with Dean Bushnell of SAS and Dean Glandt of SEAS) to India is a good sign that Penn is aggressively pushing to raise its international profile–beyond just Wharton–for potential undergraduate applicants.</p>
<p>OK–back to the celebration. :)</p>
<p>While Brown should have a crazy low acceptance rate, Chicago and Duke can’t match Penn’s yield so I don’t expect their admit rates to be all that impressive. I hope Penn can hit 15% and stay there, though.</p>
<p>ChoklitRain made a typo. He meant to say “I hope Penn can hit 5% and stay there, though.”</p>
<p>you’re welcome</p>
<p>Also at the mumbai reception furda stated that approximately half the class has been chosen ED! Which means an even lower admit rate and possible higher yield too! 
coz since abt 1300 (approx half of graduating class) are chosen they will take in another 2000 (assuming a 60% yield) in rd out of abt 21000 applications (25000-4000 ed apps). Therefore the admit rate is gonna fall for sure!</p>
<p>The admit rate should be somewhere in the range of 14% to 15%.</p>
<p>necrophiliac made a typo. He meant to say “I hope Penn can hit .5% and stay there, though.”</p>
<p>you’re welcome</p>
<p>I stand corrected. Thank you PABank</p>
<p>A quick question to the experts on this board (muerte choklitrain etc etc) about all of this given what akkipenn just said - I thought Penn’s OVERALL yield was around 60-65%, and that number incorporates the ED yield of ~100%. If Penn has about a 60% yield RD, and about 100% yield ED, the overall yield would be about 76% (around 3300 accepts for the 2500 spots in the class).</p>
<p>Is this true? If so, that’s very, very impressive - I think Harvard’s the only other school to have an overall yield above 75%. Traditionally, I thought Penn’s RD yield yield was lower. Maybe this year the yield prediction is more positive?</p>
<p>To go on stats, last year, Penn accepted around 4000 students:</p>
<p>[Penn</a> Admissions: Incoming Class Profile](<a href=“http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/profile/]Penn”>http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/profile/)</p>
<p>Assuming that around 1200 of those accepts were early, UPenn sent out an additional 2700 acceptances to get the remaining 1200-1300 spots. That’s a RD yield of about 47%. </p>
<p>Either way, this was a very good year for Penn admissions. If yield stays roughly close to what it was for the class of 2013 (around 60-65%), the overall accept rate will probably be about 15-16%.</p>
<p>It’s important to keep this in historical perspective - it wasn’t terribly long ago (maybe in the mid-late 90s) when Penn was still accepting 35-40% of its applicant pool. In around a decade, the accept rate has plummeted by 20%. That’s an impressive leap.</p>
<p>@cue7: I meant overall yield of 60% which includes the ed results!</p>
<p>Also I think that they will admit atleast 100 fewer in the rd round as they have now admitted 200 more ed this year compared to last year. This will definitely increase yield!</p>
<p>To put some of the information in one place, here’s a quick compilation of the news so far and some informed speculation:</p>
<ul>
<li>At Brown, Apps are up 20% to 30,000</li>
</ul>
<p>[With</a> apps up 20 percent, Admission Office calls Alumnae Hall into service|Blog Daily Herald](<a href=“http://blogdailyherald.com/2010/01/09/with-apps-up-20-percent-admission-calls-alumnae-hall-into-service/]With”>http://blogdailyherald.com/2010/01/09/with-apps-up-20-percent-admission-calls-alumnae-hall-into-service/)</p>
<p>Overall, Brown has around a 60% yield, and a class of around 1500, so that would make for an acceptance rate of about 8% this year (2500 accepts/ 30,000 applications). </p>
<p>Duke saw a 17% increase in applications to 23,750:</p>
<p>[Duke</a> Applications Top Last Year’s Record By Nearly 17 Percent](<a href=“http://news.duke.edu/2009/01/applications.html]Duke”>http://news.duke.edu/2009/01/applications.html)</p>
<p>Duke has a class of around 1600, and it’s yield is usually around 40-45%. This would make for an accept rate of about 16% (3800 accepts / 23,750 applicants).</p>
<p>The University of Chicago had a 42% increase in applications for a total of 19,306 apps:</p>
<p>[Applications</a> to College increase significantly | The University of Chicago](<a href=“http://news.uchicago.edu/news.php?asset_id=1836]Applications”>http://news.uchicago.edu/news.php?asset_id=1836)</p>
<p>Chicago has a class of around 1300, and a yield of around 35%. This would make for an accept rate of around 18-19% (3600-3700 accepts / 19306 applicants).</p>
<p>Harvard had a 5% increase in applications, to around 30,000:</p>
<p>[Harvard</a> Receives Record-Breaking Number of Applications | The Harvard Crimson](<a href=“http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2010/1/14/fitzsimmons-admission-admissions-students/]Harvard”>Harvard Receives Record-Breaking Number of Applications | News | The Harvard Crimson)</p>
<p>Harvard usually has a class of around 1600, and a yield of around 75-80%. Harvard’s overall accept rate this year should be around 7% (2100 accepts / 30,000 applicants). </p>
<p>Princeton saw a jump of 19% in applications this year, with a total applicant pool of 26,166. </p>
<p>[Breaking</a> News: U. sees 19 percent jump in applicants to Class of 2014 - The Daily Princetonian](<a href=“http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2010/01/15/24906/]Breaking”>http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2010/01/15/24906/)</p>
<p>Princeton usually has a yield of about 60-65%, and a class size of around 1200-1300. This year, that would mean an accept rate of about 8%. </p>
<p>Northwestern saw about a 7% increase in applications, which, extrapolating from information from last year, means around 25,000 apps this year:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-university-of-chicago-admissjan14,0,1037524.story[/url]”>http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-university-of-chicago-admissjan14,0,1037524.story</a></p>
<p>(Scroll down in the story to see the info on NU)</p>
<p>Northwestern usually has around a 35-40% yield and a class of around 2000. So this would mean an accept rate of around 23% (5800 accepts / 25,000 applicants).</p>
<p>According to this board, Penn sees a 10% increase in apps, to around 25,000. Penn usually has a yield of around 60-65% and a class of about 2500. So this would mean an accept rate of around 15-16% (3900 accepts / 25,000 applicants).</p>
<p>Overall, these numbers indicate some significant shifts in the admissions landscape. For the first time ever, Brown will pretty much be right alongside HYPS in terms of selectivity with a 8% accept rate. Harvard and Princeton will have accept rates around 7-8% this year as well. Also, Chicago for the first time ever will be roughly in the same ballpark as Duke and Penn on the selectivity front, and there is now a bit of separation between U of C and Northwestern on the admissions front (18-19% accept rate at Chicago to a 23-24% accept rate at Northwestern). Just 3 years ago, Penn had an accept rate of 18%, Duke of around 20%, and Chicago’s accept rate was much higher than either - at around 35%. </p>
<p>So we’re seeing, in just one year, Brown converge upon HYPS in terms of selectivity, and Chicago’s accept rate plummets from 27% last year to 18-19% this year. Penn sees healthy gains, and Duke sees some very strong gains as well.</p>
<p>cue7 ur getting it all wrong! Only because of ed. why would penn accept 4000 this year when they know that they have abt 1300 students enrolling FOR SURE because of ed acceptance? Therefore for the remaining 1200-1300 seats they are gonna accept about 2000-2200 making the admit rate less than 14% (3400/25000).</p>
<p>akkipenn - sorry if i misunderstood you, in my speculation, I assumed yield would stay consistent this year. If Penn did accept 1300 students ED, to get another 1200-1300 RD accepts to matriculate, Penn would need to accept about 2600 students in the RD pool, to keep with its traditional RD yield of around 47%. </p>
<p>This would mean that total, Penn accepts 3900 students this year out of its app pool of 25,000, for an overall accept rate of around 15-16%. Penn’s yield for this year would then be 64%, which is a solid year.</p>
<p>If Penn only accepted 3400 students, as you indicate, it’s overall yield would be about 74% (2500/3400). I really don’t think Penn’s yield will increase from 62% last year to 74% this year just by accepting an additional 100 students ED.</p>
<p>Here again are the stats for last year, which puts Penn’s OVERALL yield at 61.6%:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/profile/[/url]”>http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/profile/</a></p>
<p>wow. this is just GREAT news for current applicants 
(that was sarcasm by the way lol…)</p>
<p>I am so happy that Penn is being recogonized higher each year…just wish that wasn’t the case the year I applied!!!</p>
<p>Classically, Penn’s RD yield fluctuates between 48% and 52%. Last year was especially brutal for Penn - they accepted 2868 during RD last year, and of those alone, 1321 accepted the offer, for an RD yield of 46%. This resulted in a 61.6% yield overall, which is still one of the highest in the country (top 5 or 6, I believe), but low for Penn.</p>
<p>HOWEVER - Penn has taken steps, clearly, to raise its yield (which it can easily do by leveraging ED). Penn accepted around 1220 students ED. Penn has another 1220 spots to fill - with a 46% yield, it can do so by accepting 2652 students during RD. 2652+1220 = 3872 acceptances overall. 3872/25000 = 15.4%</p>
<p>Of course, this is entirely speculative. Penn may have accepted more students during ED. It may have more than 25,000 total applications. And most importantly, it could easily have a higher projected yield this year - in fact, this is probably the case, especially with so many other colleges seeing rising applications and lower acceptance rates. Penn could plausibly accept as few as 3650 students, or as many as 3900. I would forecast the acceptance rate as anywhere between 14 and 16%.</p>
<p>Either way, we’re clearly back in a growth pattern, and Furda’s recruitment efforts are showing significant gains after just 1 year. I’m very interested to see what happens.</p>
<p>Also, take note: Penn’s target class size is 2440. Last year, they underestimated the yield and overshot by 37 students. Presumably this year will be slightly different. Calculating yield is obviously fiendishly difficult.</p>
<p>So, Cue7: if Penn’s yield were 64%, they would accept 3800 for an acceptance rate of about 15%. I personally project a yield of 63% (see above).</p>
<p>If Penn’s applicant pool grows to match those of its peers (Harvard, Brown and Cornell are all above 30,000) and maintains a healthy yield, we could easily see acceptance rates of around 11%. It would be difficult to get much lower, however, with such a large class size.</p>
<p>Yah muerte I think you’re right on this - the rate will probably be around 14-16%, and, most likely, will be about 15% for the Class of 2014. Furda is a good choice as admissions dean and a Penn alum, I believe, so the school seems back on track after the upheaval caused by the Stetson departure. All the numbers I provided in my post are just speculations, but I think the general bands will be about accurate (Penn somewhere around a 15% accept rate, Duke somewhere around a 16% accept rate, Northwestern around 23-24%, etc.).</p>
<p>I think the biggest surprise for me has been Brown’s growth. It seems like EVERY year, Brown’s applications are up a ton, and I don’t really know why. Usually some schools have a period of stagnancy followed by some solid growth (Penn and Northwestern, for example, were stagnant for a while and then had around 10% growth this year), but every year, Brown just seems to be sucking in more and more apps. </p>
<p>I think the growth at other schools has been explainable: Chicago is on the 2nd year of the common application and has a new dean who recruits very aggressively, Princeton had a couple years of somewhat stagnant growth, so they probably recruited harder, etc. Maybe there’s an Emma Watson effect at Brown? I honestly have no idea what’s going on in Providence.</p>