Over Represented Minority (Asian)- let this interest you!

Chance Me / Match Me!
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<p>This isn't a typical chances thread for a specific person, but as a "group" in whole. I'll make quite a few assumptions and generalizations, but I just want a point to get across. I'm not trying to bad-mouth anyone or give false hope to anyone either, I just need some type of discussions going on about this topic.</p>

<p>Basically, we're all familiar with ORM (Over-represented minorities), namely Asians (if we're talking about ethnicity--let's regard economic status, celebrity status, location, etc. for now). My speculation is solely based on the information provided by Upenn's website (<a href="http://www.admissionsug.upenn.edu/applying/profile.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.admissionsug.upenn.edu/applying/profile.php&lt;/a&gt;) and College Board's website regarding information about Upenn's admissions (<a href="http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=1464&profileId=0%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=1464&profileId=0&lt;/a&gt;). I understand the College Board's information is not as up-to-date as Upenn's own website, but I'm just trying to make <em>rough</em> estimates right now, so here goes:</p>

<p>We've (not everyone, but just us in general) considered Asians to be ORM most of the time, because consequently the largest group of minority at top colleges and many others is evidently Asian. However, we also fail to mention what the admissions rate for Asians are (sorry for being vague about this point). Let me elaborate. Pretend there are 700 Asian attendees of a particular school. Sure it looks like a disadvantage when applying to this school, since they have such an 'abundance' of Asians. However, what if the total number of Asian applicants was 1000? The admittance rate is pretty high (at least 70% without considering the applicants who were admitted but didn't matriculate). In this respect, let me use Upenn in this case (no bias towards the school, but the information about the school was readily at hand for some reason):</p>

<p>According to their website, the number of Asian attendees (those who were admitted AND matriculated) was 524 for the class of 2009 (I'm assuming that these were Asian Americans and U.S. residents not internationals). Let's just round this number to 500 for math's sake. Let's estimated how many Asians were admitted total:</p>

<p>500 Asians attending
Matriculate rate: 65%</p>

<p>500 (100/65) = 770</p>

<p>(I know I made a pretty <em>big</em> assumption that there actually were 770 admittees)</p>

<p>There were approximately 19,000 total applications. Approximately 20% of the class is Asian, so I'm going to assume that 20% of the applicants were Asian also.</p>

<p>19,000 (0.20) = 3,800 applicants</p>

<p>770/3800 = 20.2% Asian admittance</p>

<p>I know I sound pretty crazy making these assumptions. I actually find the Asian-to-White applicant ration to be closer to 1:10 (feel free to correct me). In this regard, I'll just calculate what the % admittance would be just for kicks:</p>

<p>19,000 (0.10) = 1900 applicants
770/1900 = 40.5% Asian admittance</p>

<p>I know, I know I'm making this out to be more ideal (numbers wise) than it probably actually should be. In case anyone already had a thread that covered this, I'm sorry that I brought it up again. I'd love some feedback from anyone on this topic and feel free to correct me on anything (because I'm sure there is much to be corrected!). Again, all I want is some sort of discussion going on about this, not death threats! Let's make this insightful for everyone (please don't let this thread die!). Thanks!!</p>

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<p>some of us have too much time on our hands...</p>

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<p>Haha.. you have no idea. I've actually been thinking about this for several days (in the shower, bathroom, at school, etc.) lol..</p>

<p>P.S.- I hope I'm making <em>sense</em> (in the loosest sense of the word.. lol).</p>

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<p>Agreed with celebrian (who I am much cooler than BTW :D ), but the statistics seem a little to ideal, like you had speculated.....</p>

<p>oh well....we're still ORMs.</p>

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<p>I read somewhere that acceptance rates for Asian Americans were indeed slightly above the published general acceptance rates, but this is no doubt because the quality of applicants is higher ( I mean come on, lets be real). :)</p>

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<p>If only KRabble spent as much time on his essays as on thinking about Penn stats :p</p>

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<ol>
<li>I am much cooler than you :D</li>
</ol>

<p>2.Your statistics assume WAY too much. This really troubles me how much you assume. I agree that they do seem to ideal. Nothing is that ideal in life.</p>

<p>3.I once again agree you are all still ORM's regardless of how you try to look at it (I'm not asian btw)</p>

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<p>Remember kids:</p>

<p>Do not Assume because it makes an A$$ out of U and ME.</p>

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<p>Isn't this fun to think about?</p>

<p>Yeah, I should really get a move on my last essay.. lol.. ugh</p>

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<p>It's really not that fun to think about it. :)</p>

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<p>I second celebrian, who is still NOT as cool as me.</p>

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<p>I third myself, who always has been, is, and will be cooler than sr6622! :p</p>

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<p>I fourth celebrian, and YES I am MUCH COOLER than you.....</p>

<p>:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:</p>

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<p>Yeah ok. get over it ego drivin maniacs :p ... just joking. This is one messed up thread... Far too many assumptions and plain simply weird.</p>

<p>sif anyone's as cool and sexy as me! :p</p>

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<p>I don't think so Kjoodles....and celebrian I am ULTIMATE COOL</p>

<p>:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:</p>

<p>oh BTW, assumptions are nuts...............................</p>

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<p>hehe. Where are you applying? If i see you at college we can have a coolness showoff !</p>

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<p>Krabble: "40.5% Asian admittance"</p>

<p>--I WISH!!! only b/c i am asian.
but I think the asian applicant pool @ Upenn is crazyily competitive.</p>

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<p>Sorry guys I trump you all in my coolness. :cool:</p>

<p>It's a fact, it cannot be changed by simple words.</p>

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<p>I'm Asian...I'm female... An American pal of mine told me that was all a plus cause I also lived in 5 countries, 3 continents and so I was a "diverse minority" :cool: </p>

<p>But I think to get in because a uni/college wants to improve its diversity is a little..well..demeaning. <em>Bambi eyes</em> I'd want to get in based on my merit, man!</p>

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<p>All asians are not ORM.....some are URM (ie some SE asians).....</p>