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<p>I just like how sansai said she's the only one applied to Stanford while 24 applied to Berkeley. Looks like she just tried a little to hard to prove her claim that Stanford isn't as well-known. ;) By the way, even the most elite HS in the US probably doesn't have that kind of admit rate (7 out of 12) for Harvard!</p>
<p>^^ let’s be more careful. we don’t want this thread locked up again. Why don’t we all act civil… discuss what the OP wants… not personal attack. Maybe she made mistakes in posting… you don’t know that for sure</p>
<p>Hi Ari</p>
<p>How are you? Long time no see. Btw, I enjoyed reading your paper … nice job</p>
<p>I don't understand the people that say that there are so many pro Cal cheerleaders. If you look in this thread there is only one person who fits that description followed by a large number of anti Cal posters.</p>
<p>Did my post just vanish? :confused:</p>
<p>Rabban,</p>
<p>I'm doin' okay. Grad school is set to kick me in the arse.</p>
<p>Anyway, back to the subject at hand...if only for a little while.</p>
<p>My problem with this topic is this: every year it's the same schools that get accused of being overrated. Well, I don't wanna bust too many balls here, but that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If, to a lesser or greater extent, the same metrics are being used to decide rankings, then how could we have arbitrarily overrated programs? Now, I know that it's very unpopular to go with the opinion of the plebes on this board, but students vote with their enrollment. And if students with high scores and high achievement rates are going to these so-called "overrated" schools, then it's not just US News or its ilk that is to blame, it's all of us. </p>
<p>Now, instead of turning this into a "ZOMG BERKELEY IS BAD" thread, let's discuss the real issue here: why do we even think some schools are "overrated" to begin with?</p>
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<p>Trinity I tried to write you a PM but your box is full.</p>
<p>I don't think exposing someone isn't civil. I'd done my share of research (including what international school of manila is about) to know that list is very unlikely to be true. She's entitled to defend herself and she hasn't offered an explanation. I think making the point that many of us aren't easily fooled can help maintain the integrity on CC.</p>
<p>Sam,</p>
<p>I'm sure my post will be deleted...but...</p>
<p>I don't think the problem is you trying to get her to step up and prove herself. I think it's just that the past few threads where any sort of behavior like this occurred were locked. Once bitten, twice shy as they say.</p>
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<p>You've got to be kidding me. One of the most notorious trolls on CC is "pro-Harvard," to put it mildly.</p>
<p>Not that I agree with sansai's assertion about which schools Cal "beats," but I think a lot of the Berkeley cheerleading has to do with how often it's bashed here.</p>
<p>Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Who knows if people started bashing UCB because others zealously promoted it. Maybe it's the other way around. Anyways, as others have pointed out, many colleges are "bashed" here on CC, and it is true that those posters are just trying to boost their ego or something.</p>
<p>i agree that its less clear who the greater instigator is (pro or anti-Cal people) - the truth (as is in most cases) probably lies somewhere in the middle.</p>
<p>whatever the case, Cal sure does come up a lot.</p>
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<p>agree. i mean its not like the "anti-Cal" people are like a 250lb bully who out of the blue decides to sucker punch a 98lb "pro-Cal" weakling who keeps his head down and is humbly minding his own business... and it's not like the "pro-Cal" people are running around naked with Blue and Gold body paint screaming at the top of their lungs and only stopping to spit in people's faces...</p>
<p>They are both a bit guilty... Takes two to tango...</p>
<p>the_prestige: nice imagery.</p>
<p>My list based on everything I have known to be true. I base this on recruiting, NON ACADEMIC REPUTATION, academic reputation, USNEWS, alumni loyalty, etc.</p>
<p>ONE
Harvard
Stanford
MIT
Yale
Princeton</p>
<p>1.5
CalTech</p>
<p>TWO
Brown
Dartmouth
Penn
Columbia
Duke</p>
<p>THREE
Cornell
Chicago
Northwestern</p>
<p>FOUR
Berkeley
Georgetown
Johns Hopkins
Rice
WUStl
UVA</p>
<p>FIVE
Carnegie Mellon
Emory
Virginia
Michigan
UCLA
UNC</p>
<p>Slipper, your groups are way off. There is absolutely no distinction between groups 1.5, 2, and 3. Also, the top 3 publics all belong in the same group as Cornell and Penn.</p>
<p>No way, I totally disagree. Look at the_prestige's list when all the critical rankings are combined. Its looks exactly like this. Also, the publics have strengths but major weaknesses. In my world great professors which are the "academic" strength of the publics are their only selling point, they lose bigtime in every other category.</p>
<p>slipper1234: Berkeley should be second tier because their international reputation is as good as the top rank; even in the US Berkeley has a better rep than the entire third tier. No way should they be fourth tier.</p>
<p>Slipper, I disagree with you, and unless you are saying that I am ignorant or that you are more intelligent or knowledgeable than I, something has got to give. </p>
<p>No matter how you slice it, schools like UVA, Cal and Michigan are practically unbeatable, from professional and graduate placement to academics and from "non-academic reputation" to alumni power, influence and loyalty.</p>
<p>By the way, I liked the_prestige's rankings. It is fun and distracting, but it isn't the bible of rankings. I did feel that the publics were ranked a little too low and I always maintained that there is no difference between #6 and #17. You can have those universities ranked in any order and there would be no issues. But trying to differentiate between them will cause major issues.</p>