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<p>Dartmouth alumni event. I knew probably 50% of the people within 2-3 classes. We all hang out. We're all super smart. We all hook each other up. We all donate. We all care.</p>
<p>Same goes for HYPSM, Duke, Brown, Penn, etc. </p>
<p>Go to a Michigan or Cal alum reunion and its "hi, I'm X" That just isnt the same.</p>
<p>Bottom line.</p>
<p>Many CC forum posters have somehow managed turned the art of rating universities into a hard science. Some of them have managed to fine tune that science to the point where they can effectively identify and isolate clusters of 3 or 4 universities out of thousands! LOL</p>
<p>slipper1234,</p>
<p>Have you been to a Cal AND Michigan alumni reunion to verify this claim?</p>
<p>Slipper, you just described Michigan alumni events. I actually think Michigan matches all the Ivies when it comes to alum loyalty and influence. Slipper, Michigan is similar to Dartmouth in every way only it is 6 times larger and slightly more diverse in academic and professional interest.</p>
<p>Alexandre -- you make me grin. US News and World Reports should recruit over-zealous CC posters.</p>
<p>and futurenyustudent -- do you seriously believe all that? really? i understand that living in the suburbs of la and sf are mighty expensive, but i don't necessarily believe that it's possible to live in a bigger house in nyc suburbs than out west. i don't even think the cost of life is any much cheaper -- especially in the money westchester suburbs you post about wanting to live in. yes, there are incredible public high schools in westchester, but once you start looking at the suny system (as gomestar already pointed out) you'll see that ny is not managing its finances well with respect to higher education.</p>
<p>i've always had a deep seeted hatred for CAL for no apparent reason.</p>
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Many people? I have been on CC for quite a while and I only remember two people ever claiming Berkeley undergrad to be at the level of HYPS. One of them only posted in one thread back in 2005. The other one is sansai. So I don't know why some people think there are so many "Berkeley cheerleaders."
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<p>Perhaps you haven't been paying attention:</p>
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<p>DRab and IvyHopefulDad didn't explicitly claim Berkeley=Stanford but they did dance with the<em>prestige and argued with him/her back and fro. The</em>prestige was trying to say Stanford is better using cross-admit data..etc but DRab and IvyHopefulDad would counter him by saying cross-admit data means little..etc. It seems they neither denied nor admitted Berkeley isn't at the same level as Stanford and that, I believe, seemed to frustrate the_prestige. These are just under a currently active thread. There are older ones though I am not in the mood to dig them out.</p>
<p>Sam,</p>
<p>I've seen DRab publicly say that Stanford is better for undergrad.</p>
<p>However, he, like me, doesn't like the use of data that isn't always indicative of what truly matters to an undergrad. Now, I think that cross-admit data is a useful gauge, but they definitely don't tell us what a student can get out of Cal.</p>
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I don't think exposing someone isn't civil. I'd done my share of research (including what international school of manila is about) to know that list is very unlikely to be true. She's entitled to defend herself and she hasn't offered an explanation. I think making the point that many of us aren't easily fooled can help maintain the integrity on CC.
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<p>It’s one thing not to turn a blind eye on a poster’s view of Berkeley’s being academically more reputable than Stanford. But, having to digging up the old posts of a lady and posting them again and again and again,.. while taking sadistic pleasures in doing so, is quite another.</p>
<p>Like I said, you don’t know what you don’t know for sure.</p>
<p>Rabban,</p>
<p>You are confused. The issue wasn't her view of Berkeley. The issue is her integrity. If you aren't clear on this one, please go back to old posts before judging me. She put out two mutually contradictory lists. It's just simple logic. The first, apparently sent to xiggi, was pretty typical for an international school in a foreign country. The second one, posted publicly, was more impressive (admit rate of over 50% to Harvard) than even some of the most elite HS in New England. It does fit her claim that it's an elite school with lots of "rich, pretty" students with "strong personality". I'd expect sites like wikipedia would say something about its academic achievement; however, it's not mentioned anywhere. "Famous" alums are mostly in the entertainment industry, instead of fields like politics, sciences, academia, and business. The school has remedial classes like ESL--a sign of students of diverse, instead of elite, caliber.</p>
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<p>NYU is, by and large, the most overrated univerisity</p>
<p>rockyroad is correct</p>
<p>Sam Lee, that thread is talking about the overall global prestige of the University of California - Berkeley versus the overall global prestige of Stanford University. When we talk about the quality of undergraduate education at the respective schools it's a different story.</p>
<p>And now that you mention it, I recall a 3rd poster evaluating Berkeley way too highly. But all he did was troll in an UVa thread.</p>
<p>edit: hey you have 1953 posts and I have 1593 posts. How cool is that? :)</p>
<p>Since when is this about global UNIVERSITY prestige? We all agree Cal is top notch, up there with stanford. But in terms of DOMESTIC UNDERGRAD prestige/ quality of experience, Cal is barely in the top 15.</p>
<p>This isn't. That's why I asked "Sam, who has been hyping Berkeley?" and the example thread he mentioned was talking about global university prestige, which isn't relevant to THIS discussion. So, I agree with you that Berkeley is probably #15 tops, and that I think almost no one on CC is hyping Berkeley undergrad.</p>
<p>samlee, did you read my discussion with the_prestige? It generally had to do with vicissitude's example, not the schools and their quality. My view on cross-admit data is that it is somewhat meaningful (and not necessarily meaningful of anything other than what it shows), but its value is way overstated by some posters here. The data from many schools is generally somewhat to very incomplete, and some people don't know or don't acknowledge that.</p>
<p>slipper1234, "this" isn't about it, but the other thread was.</p>
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<p>Vicissitudes, what's wrong with Cal's UG that isn't wrong with the UG at all major research schools?</p>
<p>Well, I can honestly and proudly say that I had the chance to dump several top schools' offers, xiggi and his alternecks didn't have! Duh! </p>
<p>Now let's go back to the discussion. sorry for the short intermission.</p>
<p>^^ is that the new Jedi mind trick ("these aren't the droids that you're looking for") <strong>waves hand</strong></p>
<p>sorry, didn't work... so, what about the allegations against you sansai, what say you?</p>
<p>your silence about it is deafening...</p>
<p>^ Clear to point out what allegations? If you're not his alternick I will correspond with you through pm. if not, then I guess you know that I know that you're one of them.</p>