Oxford

<p>Hey, I'm rising junior at a very reputable NYC public school (Stuyvesant), who's hoping to apply to the University of Oxford come the fall. If anyone knows about how admissions work over there, or went there themselves, I'd love it if someone could tell me if it's worth applying. I would be applying for the Philosophy, Politics, and Economics Joint Honours program. </p>

<p>I'd also love it if someone could guide me through the interview process, so I know what to expect if I make it to that step.</p>

<p>SAT: Math (800), Reading (800), Writing (780) - 2380</p>

<p>APs:
Freshman Year- BC Calculus (5), Microeconomics (5)
Sophomore Year- Macroeconomics (5), European History (5), World History (5), Statistics (5)
Junior Year (predicted)- US History (5), English Language (5), Computer Science (5)</p>

<p>SATs:
Freshman Year- Math 2 (800)
Sophomore Year- World (800), Physics (780), Chemistry (770)
Junior Year (predicted)- US (~800), Lit (~800)</p>

<p>I'm fairly sure I'll do well on the TSA (Thinking Skills Assessment) when it comes around to that.</p>

<p>So, what do you guys think? Can I get in, despite applying as an American junior?</p>

<p>Firstly, for the UK, your SATS don’t matter AT ALL.
Secondly, if you have a 4.0ish GPA then you get in (provided you pass the minimum subject requirements and pass their own test)… then you gotta nail the interview and live upto their conditions. It’s hard to tell for the UK for US students…</p>

<p>Gooddluckkk!</p>

<p>Killforstern has it backwards- your GPA doesn’t count at all for Oxford, and your standardized test scores do. Your test scores are (obviously) outstanding- BC calc in 9th grade?!- so are you being coy when you ask if it’s worth applying? And when else would you apply except as an American junior? </p>

<p>Anyway, your stats are good so the TSA will make or break whether you get invited for an interview. Go to the student room, a UK website, and look for threads on Oxford interviews, Oxford applicants for 2013, and American students applying to UK universities- you will find lots of info and fellow travelers. Also look for info on the personal statement - it is meant to demonstrate why you a good candidate to study PPE, not what a great person you are. Didn’t you get your AP scores today?</p>

<p>Well, instead of as a senior. That’s the only reason I’m not sure about applying.</p>

<p>And yeah- that’s how I know about Macro, Euro, World, and Stats.</p>

<p>Thanks for the advice!</p>

<p>Sorry- my bad! I missed that you are a <em>rising</em> junior. Typically they look for you to have finished secondary school, but typically 10th graders don’t have that set of exams either. There is a 16 year old at Trinity (Ox) this year so it definitely happens. There are some social drawbacks to being under 18, but that wasn’t your question. And there also some nice things about being in a place where it is normal to be really academic! If you & your family think you are ready to handle it, go for it. And if it doesn’t work for this year, nothing lost- there’s still next year. Come back & let us know what happens.</p>

<p>Alright, thanks!</p>

<p>Also, for the record, I’d be applying as an EU citizen.</p>

<p>Actually Oxford has a really high acceptance rate despite being, in my opinion, the best university in the world, exept maybe for Harvard, their system of acceptance is different and they clearly state that in their web page. Unlike U.S. schools, they only focus on your academics and your academic potential as a student, this is a school in which if you have great SAT’s, AP’s (they count that alot), and a good GPA you’ll get accepted, and also any purely academic extracuriculars such as advanced research or some sort of academic competitions. They don’t really care much about you being a volunteer or president or secretary of this and that club. They go to school to learn in a purely scholarly manner.</p>

<p>What also matters alot is the career path you’re taking, their acceptance rates are posted based on your carreer. Things like Mathematics, Economics, and Medicine have a 10% or under acceptance rate, but other careers can have up to a 30% acceptance rate. Check it out in their website, just google it, it’s not that hard to find.</p>

<p>Yeah, it’s 15.6% for PPE and just under 46% get invited to interview, but that’s from the entire world. Overall, rates from the US are lower.</p>

<p>Does anyone know how many APs, on average, people have under their belt by the time they apply?</p>

<p>And then, how many more are usually required to meet the offer?</p>

<p>Also, to anyone who applied, how did you manage taking the TSA?</p>

<p>Bump. Bump.</p>

<p>Is there anybody…out there?</p>

<p>:-)</p>

<p>Number of APs seems to vary a fair bit, mostly b/c schools vary in their AP policies. In the example that I know best, the applicant applied to a double honours subject with 5 APs- all 5s- but only 1 1/2 were ‘relevant’ to the subject. Conditions were 2 1/2 more 5’s, from any of the 4 to be taken Sr year (all of which were ‘relevant’). Obviously, some subjects have more ‘relevant’ options than others, so you have to consider what’s possible. </p>

<p>…note on the “1/2” APs- somewhere online there is an A list and a B list of APs. It is not an absolute, but for courses in which it is usual to do 2 (ie micro & macro econ, or comp gov & us gov) as one course / in one year, they are often given less weight, esp in making the conditions…</p>

<p>I do know of US applicants who have gotten unconditional offers, but they tend to be in the sciences and to have done all of the relevant APs by the end of their Jr year. You have so many APs already, and such good ones, that you could potentially get an unconditional offer- and it does not appear to be an area that you need to worry about. </p>

<p>My guess (and it is only a guess, given that I have no first hand info on tutor thinking!) is that your biggest challenge will simply be how ready you are to engage in a P or P tutorial (guessing the E will be straightforward enough for you). Well, that and the fact that more US applicants apply to PPE than any other :slight_smile: </p>

<p>So, get some help on your Personal Statement- somebody who knows what Oxford would expect in a PS. I know, student room is full of people who are saying that their tutors have said that they barely read the PS. Probably true for some/many, but definitely not all, and almost certainly more true for maths/sciences, where they don’t really care about your ability to write. Given that you are applying a year young, you don’t want to give them any reason to say ‘take another year’ - showing some maturity in your PS can’t hurt.</p>

<p>Also, if you get offered an interview, definitely find somebody who can give you at least one practice <em>PPE</em> interview- even if you have to save your pennies and pay the people at oxbridgeapplications (wait till you get the offer of an interview, by then they will sell you their services a la carte- at this stage they want to sell you all-in packages)(though you can sign up for their newsletter for free). I know several extremely academic high-flyers who were fantastic on paper, and who went on to shine at Ivy League colleges, but didn’t clear the interview hurdle. The tutorial system really doesn’t suit everybody.</p>

<p>On a separate note, the EU citizen status will make your life easier if you go (no visa!), but unless your parents have been tax-resident in the EU for 3 of the last 5 years (or you have been out of the EU on assignment for your home country, such as a parent in the diplomatic service) you will pay international rates. And officially it won’t help your application any either…</p>

<p>…also, for TSA (or HAT or any of the others), you can find test centers here: [Find</a> a centre | Admissions Testing Service](<a href=“http://www.admissionstestingservice.org/find-a-centre/]Find”>Find a test centre | Cambridge Assessment Admissions Testing) but if you don’t live near one, and their isn’t a British or International School where you live, your school can become a test center: [Become</a> a test centre | Centres | Admissions Testing Service](<a href=“http://www.admissionstestingservice.org/services-for/centres/become-a-test-centre/]Become”>http://www.admissionstestingservice.org/services-for/centres/become-a-test-centre/) </p>

<p>I don’t know about your school, but our experience of US schools who have not been through the UK process a few times is that they find the experience daunting rather than exciting. Be prepared to do all your own homework, mind the dates, etc.</p>

<p>*argh…there not their</p>

<p>Hmm, alright. Do you think Statistics will be relevant for Economics? I would’ve guessed yes, but the London School of Economics doesn’t count it as a relevant AP on their website so I don’t know… As for the list you mentioned, I looked it up but couldn’t find it. Do you have a link?</p>

<p>Thanks for the advice on my PS, interview and EU citizenship. Is oxbridgeapplications the premier interview/prep company for Oxford? And for the TSA, yeah, I saw that but the nearest site is 3 hours away. Do you have any guess at how long it might take the school to become a center? I might shoot them an email if it’s an easy process. </p>

<p>One other thing: I’m leaning towards Balliol or Magdalen, but what do you know of the colleges at Oxford/collegiate system?</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>Here you go:</p>

<p>[Advanced</a> Placement Programme - US & Canada | UCAS](<a href=“http://www.ucas.com/how-it-all-works/explore-your-options/entry-requirements/tariff-tables/app]Advanced”>http://www.ucas.com/how-it-all-works/explore-your-options/entry-requirements/tariff-tables/app)</p>

<p>Don’t know if Oxbridge Apps is the ‘premier’ prep company, but it is certainly a leading and reputable one, and the interview prep is always done by a recent Oxbridge grad in your subject, so they have had direct experience.</p>

<p>Statistics may well be accepted as relevant for PPE- but I really don’t think you need to worry about having enough relevant APs. Are you thinking about LSE also? </p>

<p>For the TSA, your school will have to do that, but it isn’t too hard- send your college counselor or guidance counselor an email with the link. </p>

<p>As for the colleges, each college has a website and an “alternative prospectus”, plus student room has a ‘pros & cons’: <a href="http://www..co.uk/wiki/Oxford_College_Pros_and_Cons%5B/url%5D">http://www..co.uk/wiki/Oxford_College_Pros_and_Cons</a></p>

<p>Both Ballloil & Magdalen have their staunch supporters and you wouldn’t go wrong with either. Remember that ~25% students end up at different colleges than they applied to, but pretty much everybody loves their college, whether or not it was their first choice. Two things to consider are relative size and relative formality - if either matter to you. </p>

<p>Btw, you know that the Norrington table is a ranking of the Oxford colleges by the students exam results, right? Some colleges take this pretty seriously (at Merton, for example, your place in the room draw is based on your exam results). Some people love that, others loathe it. To each their own.</p>

<p>(All those asterisks just spell out the student room, with no spaces)</p>