<p>I've just read this latest news nugget on Yahoo! Is anyone out there as disgusted with the Bush administration as I am?
The surge isn't working, American casualties continue to mount. Having just returned from visiting my brother at a military base, and having met "men" and "women" my age (18 -- old enough to be killed in Iraq, but not to buy a beer in a San Diego restaurant!) who are expecting to be shipped out soon, I am outraged at Bush's cavalier attitude to American lives.
When I get onto my college campus in August I fully intend to start, or to join an anti-war organization. The Iraq debacle has all the earmarks of another Vietnam, so I think it's time for many of us to ensure our voices are heard by politicians facing the up-coming elections.
(And if this entry is eliminated by CC officials, then I shall simply infer that, because they do not wish to be part of a solution, then they are part of the problem -- and that will be that for my checking in on this site.)
Here's hoping that, if we make our anti-war sentiments loud and clear, it will help bring our troops home soon.</p>
<p>if he sucks so much (which he does, I completely agree), why was he re-elected?</p>
<p>There are three things that the "anti-Bush" liberals must realize.
1) To second NotAmbidextrous, he was elected not once, but TWICE!
2) Unlike most "flip-flop politicians" like Hilary or Kerry, he stays true to his values and beliefs, no matter how harsh the criticism he faces.
3) Has any president in the history of our nation ever had to deal with so many pressing issues in any single term? I don't think so.</p>
<p>I think that you people will find that, even if a democrat is elected president, we will still have troops occupying and fighting for our freedom and safety in Iraq. If we leave Iraq, we will no longer be fighting the scumbags on their soil, but we will have to deal with them on our very own country! Besides, troop moral is very high at the moment, and majority of the people that are over there fighting are behind the war 100% (my father serves in the US Army). Maybe Bush could change his "strategy" of fighting the war, but the war must be fought, in Iraq, and not within OUR borders!! And I don't really think that this thread belongs on this website. There are plenty of other political discussion forums out there for you to whine about the war.</p>
<p>I'm not disgusted at all, I love him and think hes a fine president.</p>
<p>you Liberals just want it all, grow up, stop being children.</p>
<p>He wasn't reelected because he was a fine president. He was reelected because he managed to convince small-brained people that without him, the country would be blown to high hell and the "sanctity of marriage" would be broken. He played on paranoia, as he continues to do, and 51 percent of people were STUPID ENOUGH TO FALL FOR IT.</p>
<p>caseengr, you must be joking. The fact that Bush is sticking to his guns regardless of an international outcry against the war, regardless of a poorly-thought out entry and lack of WMDs, regardless of POOR progress in Iraq, and regardless of huge domestic backlash, is not heroic and is not admirable. It is stupid. </p>
<p>We need to leave, and as we plan our exit (with more thought than was put into our entrance), we need to seriously engage in multilateral talks to ensure that Iran won't make a grab for the southeast and that Iraq's boundaries remain as they are. No, it won't be easy considering that our president has done serious damage to our international reputation, but we've got to make a real effort. We have to convince Iraq's neighbors that they all have something to lose by fostering violence in the region. I'm not saying I have all the answers, but spending (read: borrowing) billions on this boondoggle of a war going nowhere is NOT the answer. </p>
<p>i586...you LOVE him? LOVE? Oh, dear god...this isn't even a liberal issue anymore, it's a common sense issue. You can't pour money into a war going nowhere and magically expect it to work.</p>
<p>Please stop playing the silly Liberal-Conservative games, people. Don't lower the level of political discussion because you've got nothing else to say. We did that like it was the coolest thing to do in '04 and look where it got us.</p>
<p>Eh, I think the surge is going to work...Sort of.</p>
<p>It's Bush's fault for not listening to his generals before the start of the war. They insisted that they needed more but he didn't listen. Which makes me wonder...does Bush have a strong disdain at experts of their field? He doesn't listen to top generals. He doesn't listen to the world's leading climatologist. He doesn't listen to biologists. Eh, It's Bush's fault for the situation now. Bush should of stopped the abuses of human rights, yet he applauds them. As President he should of been protecting the integrity of our nation but instead he took a dump on it. In the beginning supported the war(my dirty little secret :O), but year and years of being lied to, seeing no progress, and laughable attempts at propaganda had given me a strong disdain for this President and his puppet masters Karl Rove and Cheney. Bush, will be the worst president. Even worse then Nixon. Nixon had enough respect for our nation to resign after his lies were exposed. At least Nixon advanced foreign policy. Bush has done nothing. </p>
<p>And Guess what? Nixon got elected twice. </p>
<p>Being reelected means nothing. Bush won 2004 not on the bases of any issue, just because he seemed to have more "faith" then Kerry. I'm tired of the American people falling for charades of faith. It's utterly laughable. His faith won't let him "kill" abandon fetuses but will let countless refugees be slaughtered. </p>
<p>Our government will not work if the citizens can be lead like sheep. Our government will only work if the citizens themselves use their sense of reason in the election process. If we don't...We'll have more George Bushes in the future.</p>
<p>"If we leave Iraq, we will no longer be fighting the scumbags on their soil, but we will have to deal with them on our very own country!" - Caseengr</p>
<p>lol remind me please, when have you had to deal with Iraqis on your own soil?</p>
<p>"when have you had to deal with Iraqis on your own soil?"
I never said that we HAVE been fighting the Iraqis on our own soil, I said that we WILL HAVE TO. The fact that we are in Iraq and in Afghanistan, trying to liberate Muslim lands from the rulings of dictators and inhumane government regimes and trying to restore ORDER in those countries so that innocent people are getting slaughtered, has caused the terrorists (and yes, it is a war on terror. Bush IS right, and it's not just a label) to go to those regions and fight us there because they feel that we are threatening their *****d up beliefs by occupying their lands. If we weren't there, they would not have to worry about us occupying the Middle East and could focus their attacks on our country. If we pull out now, we will simply have to go back in a few years and again fight our way back into the country. Ok, so maybe Bush could have a better "military strategy," however his staff members and generals are responsible for military strategy, and Bush cannot plan a war. He can make a decision to attack a country, but he has other people PLAN it. And do you think that Hilary, who with the absence of Al Gore, WILL win the democratic primary, if she does become president (which she won't, because too many democrats dislike here), will pull the troops out of Iraq? I doubt it. Bush is not pushing a political agenda. He cannot be re-elected. He is doing what he feels is right and best for our country. Besides, if we do pull out, there will be a lot more slautering and fighting amongst the people, you flagburning liberals would complain then, becuase we "aren't doing anything about the fighting in Iraq. You'll never be happy.</p>
<p>lol...Have you forgotten Barrack Obama?</p>
<p>First off. Iraq had no connections to 9-11. They were no threat to us until we invaded. Thanks to Bush, the Iraq invasion has actually created more terrorists. They have another reason to hate the US. A pretty definite one. I'm tired of your fear tactics. What's next? North Korea will bomb Japan if we don't invade? Or what? Iran will invade Iraq if we don't get them first? I'm tired of you fear mongering morons. If the threat was really genuine Bush would of improved Airport security. Guess what? They aren't. They're failing inspections. People can sneak bombs onto planes but the can't bring a bottle of water. Our nuclear power plants are virtually defenseless. And you're spending money to protect some skating rink in Indiana instead of protecting the statue of liberty, iirc. </p>
<p>"however his staff members and generals are responsible for military strategy" - Did you not even read what I said. He didn't listen to them. That's how Iraq got so messy. Bush is a moron because he won't listen to his generals! He's finally listen to them but, it's too late. The insurgence has already grown and will continue to do so.</p>
<p>If president bush is so bad and the way is so bad then why do we have less attacks to date with him in office than when Clinton in office. Clinton was on the defensive liberal side and Bush on the offensive.</p>
<p>93 World Trade Center bombing in New York.
Oklahoma City bombing terrorist attack on April 19, 1995
Nairobi,
Kenya.
Dar es Salaam.
and Tanzania were bombed in 1998.</p>
<p>Bush
9/11 ("Though many including I, attribute this attack to the 8 years of neglect of clinton.:)</p>
<p>So we have Clinton with 6 terrorist attacks and Bush with 1. </p>
<p>H rm. Offense Wins.</p>
<p>What is comedic to me is how stupid Liberals are, how dumb can ya be. It doesn't take a Harvard grad to see the difference between right and wrong, though some of you do graduate from top schools and are still just don't see it. Only reason I come to this forum is for the engineering section and to laugh at how incompetent some of your minds are. To think you guys will be running our world in 15 years. Its kinda sad.</p>
<p>To the 3rd poster:</p>
<p>Let me think, how many presidents have had to deal with more pressing (and real) issues than the Nazi we have now who is destroying America?</p>
<p>Ok, let's see. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, FDR. Just to name a few. </p>
<p>But I must say, you are correct. GWB is possibly the most consistent president in the history of this great nation. Sadly, so far, he has been consistently wrong with every decision he (or whoever makes them) has made.</p>
<p>My main beef with Bush is his war on science, but that's off topic.</p>
<p>On Iraq:</p>
<p>We shouldn't have gone there in the first place because the U.S. has no business policing the world. I feel too many people argue for "freeing the world from dictators blah blah blah" but the fact is, that stuff is none of our business! Heck, why don't we declare war on China, N. Korea, Iran, [insert any non-democratic nation here] simply because they aren't "free?"</p>
<p>Unfortunately, we ARE over there now and it has become our business and there is no way we can withdraw gracefully unless Iraq can stabilize after we're gone (which is not gonna happen as the way things are now).</p>
<p>I'd guess IMO the only way to win Iraq would be to completely crush the insurgency (which isn't going to happen) or stabilize the country by making the Iraqis maintain a strong police/military within their own country because right now they aren't doing crap. Is the cost of money, time, and irreplaceable human life worth it? Possibly. A withdrawal now or anytime in the near future might embolden potential terrorists and things would be worse off than when Saddam was still heading the country.</p>
<p>Of course....That makes so much since. Wait..Were their any terrorist attacks during Nixon's presidency. Wait I don't recall any...Probably not...That makes him the greatest president ever! </p>
<p>Wait...Why the Sky hasn't fallen yet! GO BUSH! Even better, the WWIII hasn't started yet..So Bush must of stopped it.<br>
Oh wait...
Major weather disasters under Clinton
None</p>
<p>Major Weather Disasters under Bush
Rampant Wildfires
Katrina
2005 Hurricane season..</p>
<p>That's it! Bush is incurring god's wrath. BURN HIM! </p>
<p>:P </p>
<p>Just because terrorist attacks happen during someone's presidency doesn't mean it's the president's fault. It's easy to blame the president for issues out of their control. </p>
<p>I agree with LaptopLover on Iraq.</p>
<p>"I think that you people will find that, even if a democrat is elected president, we will still have troops occupying and fighting for our freedom and safety in Iraq. If we leave Iraq, we will no longer be fighting the scumbags on their soil, but we will have to deal with them on our very own country!"</p>
<p>WOW.. that is one of the most retarded commments I have ever heard in my life. You people have got to get off of your <strong><em>ing high horse and realize that you are NOT the beacon of freedom and peace that you think you are. *</em></strong>, I'd be ***ed as hell if some random country decided to invade my country, regardless of whether they did so to "help" me out, its just an issue of whether or not its any of their business and, I'm sorry to say, IT NEVER IS.</p>
<p>BTW its: in our very own country.....on our very own land...but NOT on our very own country....</p>
<p>"WOW.. that is one of the most retarded commments I have ever heard in my life. You people have got to get off of your ****ing high horse and realize that you are NOT the beacon of freedom and peace that you think you are."</p>
<p>If the words "you people" mean Americans in general, then I think you have no patriotism what-so-ever, and maybe you should leave. Seriously. If we aren't a model for freedom and democracy, then who is? We ARE the beacon of freedom, and yes, peace. Yes, there are many other countries that are free and peaceful, but you don't see people flocking to those countries at the rate that people immigrate to ours. You don't see people crossing the southern border into Mexico or moving to the Middle East for freedom. They come HERE, the Land of Liberty. The fact that we are the beacon of freedom is one of the sole reasons why you can say your ignorant comments, and get away with it. Try saying that in Turkey or Iran. You would be prosecuted. That is why this country is so great.</p>
<p>America is a great country because its people practice self determinism. 231 years ago the American people decided spontaneously that they wanted to be a republic instead of a group of colonies, and they did so. America doesn't exist to pass moral judgements upon other countries, that is the job of the specific country's people, and this has been proven time and time again due to the fact that there is not one stable government on this earth that has existed without the consent, directly or indirectly, of the native people.</p>
<p>It is a huge error to think that this is a Liberal v Conservative argument. Democrats are not Liberals and Republicans are not Conservative, both parties exercise a mesh of the principles of both Liberals and Conservatives. In fact, Bush is a liberal on everything but social issues.. Liberals have historically supported large government (the government has actually expanded since Clinton's administration), involving America in police actions/wars (Operation Iraqi Freedom), Executive activism (use of veto/pardon), and expansion of laws (Patriot Act,etc.). Sure, he's thrown a few bones to his Conservative constituency, but nothing of any material. True Conservative ideology seeks freedom from government oppression and limited government. Is that occurring? I think not. The President has started a war and increased the National Debt.
This is at best a Republican-Democrat debate, and even that is sketchy since there are supporters/detractors of the war and Bush on each side. .</p>