<p>Can a coach (e.g., school cross country coach) administer the PAE or does it have to be my PE teacher specifically?</p>
<p>pcrunner:</p>
<p>The PAE instructions state: your examination may be administered by any coach or physical education teacher.</p>
<p>Actually, that's what was bothering me. I thought that I had read that somewhere ("coach or physical education teacher"), but when I read over my "Instructions for Applicants" booklet, it only says, "physical education teacher." Can anyone verify that a coach is allowed to administer the examination?</p>
<p>PCrunner: The information I gave you was taken verbatim from page 13, paragragh 4 of the West Point Instruction for Applicants.</p>
<p>Yeah, that's what is so weird about the whole thing. Here is my paragraph four of page 13:</p>
<p>"Your examination may be administered by any physical education teacher. ANy active duty commissioned officer may administer the PAE for service members. It is your responsibility to arrange for a qualified person to conduct your examination."</p>
<p>pcrunner:
Don't know why your booklet is different. My son's booklet was received in August this year.<br>
Check page 5 of the instructions booklet. Under the PAE section it says:
"Coordinate with a coach, a physical education instructor or another athletic official to adminster this test". </p>
<p>Either way, get it done ASAP so your application is complete.</p>
<p>If yours was received in August of this year, I'm betting it's accurate. Not sure why mine is different, but I can coordinate with a coach within the next week -- my PE teacher would take forever. That said, I think I'll just go with your info; sounds pretty safe to me.</p>
<p>does anyone have tips for the pae? I especially need help with the standing long jump, and basketball throw. thanks!</p>
<p>i go to a military school sponsored by the association of graduates... my advisor from west point at my school taught us some cool tricks... for the basketball throw kneel right on the balls of your knees and then put your toes on the ground so that the bottom of your toes are pushing you up like your going to jump up. lean back as far as you can, kind of like your streching to reach your shoulders to the ground and use your arm like a catapult and just chuck the thing. Also... insider piece of advice... use a girls basketball, the pae instructions do not specify if it has to be a guys or a girls ball. for the jump, go to a track meet... watch the long jumpers... what you do is craddle yourself on the balls of your feet rolling from heels to toes, swing your arms in the same direction that you are rolling and use the momentum of your body to sling you. when you spring off of the ground like a frog throw your chest as far forward as you can, you want to make your body look like a cresent when your in the air and then crunch up enough to throw your legs as far forward of your body as possible.. when you land land on your toes and fall forward if anything and they will be forced to measure from where your toes left to where your toes landed. i already took my pae... they made us take it before we left for thanksgiving so that we wouldn't take it as fatties... lol... if you have any questions feel free to email and i can help you out... i've been through this application process twice now... the AOG scholarship is some good stuff i tell you... most likely i'll see ya'll at west point next year!</p>
<p>Best detailed hints I have ever seen for those two events. Many thanks.</p>
<p>Juleswimmer: Be careful when you " massage" the pae rules. Intent of the rules should honored. The difference between being clever and being a cheater is in the eyes of the beholder. Admissions may wonder what other corners you may be cutting.</p>
<p>Otherwise, the sky's the limit on beating the rules. Here's a couple of approaches to the basketball toss that are technically within the rules. </p>
<ol>
<li><p>Rules don't say surface has to be level. Find a steep decline and toss from the top of the incline. Distance will be improved dramatically. Hundreds of feet if you throw it off a cliff. This interpretation also works on the standing long jump</p></li>
<li><p>Deflate, compress and wrap the basketball in tape. Rules don't say the ball has to be inflated or that you can't compress the ball and wrap it in tape. The compressed ball will be the size of a softball. You can throw it a mile !! </p></li>
</ol>
<p>Do I need to go on?</p>
<p>At IAW and the Naval Summer Seminar this year they definitely used a boys basketball---they don't give you a choice.</p>
<p>I don't think julieswimmer23 is being clever or cheating, she is just using good technique. You fall foward to prevent falling backwards and losing 3 feet or so on the jump. And in the b-ball throw, your still on your knees, which is still taking away your legs from</p>
<p>Would you call a knuckleball pitcher a cheater because he has a different technique then almost every other pitcher? No!</p>
<p>It's just a technique.</p>
<p>Julieswimmer23 - any tips on the flexed arm hang? :)</p>
<p>I know I'm not Julieswimmer23, but as a male, I have found the flexed arm hang more difficult than pull-ups. I don't know why, maybe because I get bored just hanging up there. One tip though, taken from Lt. Stew Smiths 12 Week Guide to SEAL Fitness, when you grab the bar do not wrap your thumb around, rather have that on top like the rest of your fingers. This will allow you to grip the bar longer.</p>
<p>It would seem obvious to me that if you are a guy, you use a guy's basketball; if you're a girl use a girl's basketball. I also noticed it did not specify which to use, but I still used a guy's basketball. If you are in shape at all, you will pass the PAE without trying to bend the rules in your favor.
Tyler</p>
<p>At the academy for IAW, when the candidates took the PAE (as well as at the Naval Academy Summer Seminar) everyone had to use a boys basketball.</p>
<p>The flexed arm hang is completely a mental exercise. It involves quite a lot of discomfort, and the real trick is not letting you fool yourself into thinking it's harder than it actually is because of that discomfort.</p>
<p>Some tips I recommend for flexed arm hang</p>
<p>1) Sing the alphabet to yourself, or any other repetetive droning song like this. It helps to take your mind off the pain and keep you focussed.</p>
<p>2) Have the person administering the test tell you time intervals in the beginning only. When I did mine, my ALO told me when something like 5, 10, and 15 seconds had passed, but then I was on my own. For some reason, it seems easier to hang there longer if you don't know how long you've been hanging... maybe it doesn't work for everybody, but it worked for me.</p>
<p>3) If you're really having trouble making the minimum (you're hanging for less than 10 seconds for example), practice hanging with a giant rubber band (like a theraband type thing). You can attatch it to the bar you're using (sort of like a hamok or sling) and use it to hold your knees while you practice hanging. Do it with the sling until your time without it starts improving.</p>
<p>4) Realize it's only 20something seconds. Count the seconds to youself beforehand and show yourself what a short time it is. You can even count while you're doing it, but I find that distracting. Either way, just remember that no matter how long you've been hanging, it's only a few more seconds to the minimum. Again, flexed arm hang is more mental than physical, so just keep telling yourself that the pain is deceptive.</p>
<p>5) Encouragement! Honestly, this is one of the best things. Have your administrator cheer you on as you're hanging, or bring some friends to watch you take it. Moral support helps SO much. I mean, you're sitting up there on the bar cringing and crying but then you see how happy your friends are for you and how much they're behind you 100%, and that really seems to make things easier. :)</p>
<p>I was wondering if females do the pushups on thier knees for the PAE? I know that for the actual APFT they are allowed to do so, but I can't find anything that confirms nor denies this in the packets from WP....</p>
<p>Don't believe you can do pushups with knees on the ground. In the PAE brochure, no distinction is made for females in the description of the pushup routine. Given the different pushup performance outcomes of females on the percentile chart, I am pretty confident that the 4-point position for females is the same as for males. Otherwises the number of pushups for the females would be substantially higher.</p>