<p>I agree with other posters who say just to apply if you can afford the app fees. Well, if you can afford to go to these schools as a full pay person you certainly can afford the application fees. You may be pleasantly suprised at where you get in. Both of my kids got in nearly every place they applied and many that were considerable reaches. I think also for those need aware schools a full pay student doesn’t have to be as stellar.</p>