<p>One caveat about CTCL. The book was first published in 96 and last updated in 2006. You have to keep that in mind since some schools have changed quite a bit over time. I’d also recommend looking at Fiske for any ctcl school.</p>
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<p>I’d also like to add that instead of simply thinking of CTCL schools as a list of schools, pay attention to why those schools were included in the book and look for those qualities at other schools.</p>
<p>Re Clarkson- I consider it one of those unsung gems and recommend it a lot. BUT I think the gpa of accepted students is pretty high (but maybe not enrolled- I don’t have Naviance and could not get the Common Data Set for the school. )</p>
<p>I have a quick question out of curiosity. How many of the kids here have test scores way above what might be expected of a student in this GPA range? )And what are the expected scores of kids in this gpa range? I’ve never been able to find anything giving me an idea) Do you think that will help or hurt your child? Some people fear admissions will see their child as lazy/underperfoming but I often see amazing scores whenever someone with a more average gpa gets in to the more selective schools. </p>
<p>OK…more than one question and maybe not so quick :)</p>
<p>My oldest two had good/very good SATs and mediocre/okay grades. Both did fine with admissions. (Not sure if I made that clear–both had better SATs than their grades might have suggested. I think the SATs really helped both of them with admissions.)</p>
<p>Hi - I’m new to CC. My son just received his final grades for Junior year. He did well (for him) for the year - a 3.22 and has been on an upward trend, but has an overall average of 2.98 for the 3 years. He’s taken 2 AP classes this year and is planning to take 2 next year - all in History. No honors classes. He’s taken the SATs once and scored 1740. He’s planning to take them again in October. He’s goes to a competitive private school in California. We’re headed East for a college tour and are currently planning to look at the following schools: Muhlenberg, American, York, Ithaca, Quinnipiac, Marist, Hofstra, Clark, Emerson, Champlain, St. Michael’s, UVM, and Plymouth State in N.H… He’s interested in studying business and would prefer a school with about 4000 to 5000 students, but will consider 2000. I would appreciate hearing from others - if we’re on the right track or way off, and if there are other schools we should consider. Thanks so much.</p>
<p>Hi found! Not to add too much to your list, but for business you might also consider susquehanna, scranton, sacred heart.</p>
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<p>5boys, a poster on a prior similar thread reports that her daughter loved her freshman year in theater at Adelphi. Not surprisingly, the proximity to Broadway was a big plus.</p>
<p>RubyT, another poster praised Alfred in upper NY very highly.</p>
<p>Found1, I pm’d you some thoughts.</p>
<p>Best of luck</p>
<p>I think that’s me … my D had a tremendous first year at Adelphi, learned and grew a lot.</p>
<p>Not only is Adelphi very strong in the arts, but it has a terrific business program. In fact, it just received about $9 million dollars for its business school, which should mean an absolute explosion in opportunities. Found1, if you’re looking at Hofstra I would definitely look at Adelphi (they are just a few miles apart).</p>
<p>Adelphi’s theatre program is an auditioned BFA, so it’s very different from a regular major in theatre. Even the minor is auditioned. There are very few opportunities for theatre for non-majors. The auditioned program is really excellent, if that is what a student is looking for.</p>
<p>found1- Maybe Clarkson- it has a very hands on business program. I have been unable to find a common data set so am not entirely sure of the needed scores/gpa but I think geographic diversity could not hurt. Good luck.</p>
<p>@Clarkson U in Potsdam (which has been mentioned relative to a few posts on this thread). Did not find a gpa admittance range but did find this info through one of those other online sites (which may or may not be accurate):
SAT 1 Verbal 25th percentile score 500
SAT 1 Verbal 75th percentile score 610
SAT 1 Math 25th percentile score 550
SAT 1 Math 75th percentile score 660
Students submitting ACT
39%
ACT Composite 25th percentile score 23
ACT Composite 75th percentile score 29</p>
<p>albclemom-thanks for the tip on Clarkson I’m definitely going to check it out, my son would love the hands on experience! Alfred too. We’ve suffered a few setbacks in the past couple of days. Final grades came out, all were as expected except Precalc C+! He was on track for a B or B- but blew the final,.He was in tears and admitted he did not study as hard as he should have. We hope he learned a valuable lesson and he promised to work very hard in Calculus, we may even pay for a tutor 1/week or 1 every other week, I hope this has not blown his chances at some of the schools he is interested in.<br>
Second setback-he liked St Mike’s (did not love it) but he gives a terrible interview. Parents are brought in for the last 15 minutes of the interview and there he sat: Cracking his knuckles, not making eye contact, very few questions. The interviewer was trying very hard to work with him but he came across (in my opinion) as unenthusiastic. We went on a 4 hr canoe trip the day before in 98 degree heat-bad idea in hindsight, so I think he was very tired. I think I’m going to have a friend mock interview him when I get home. Any tips form other posters?</p>
<p>Found1-check out Stonehill, its my sons fav to date (tied with Union), beautiful campus, small school, strong internship program.</p>
<p>Hi Everyone:</p>
<p>Thanks for your helpful feedback. I really appreciate it. I checked out Clarkson today and it looks great, but really far north and possibly a bit much for a kid from CA weather wise, but I’m going to try and get him up there to take a look. We’ll also check out Alfred along the way. I think I checked out Stonehill on-line, but thought it was too difficult for him to get into (?) - can’t remember now as I’ve been doing this college thing all-day, all week, and I’m worn out. Thanks Rubytuesday2 about the heads-up re Union. We also really like the school based on on-line visits, but his high school college counselor said he didn’t think my son had a chance with his GPA and SATs (which I mentioned earlier). Any thoughts re getting in? He seems to fall into the range for many of the schools he’s interested in SAT wise, but not GPA wise - the GPA averages are really high. All the best -</p>
<p>Found1 - be sure to ask the schools how they calculate Gpa and if the range posted is accepted or admitted students. For business you might want to check out St. Joseph’s in Philly and Roanoke College in VA.</p>
<p>My D has not had any interviews where I was not invited along for the whole thing, though the questions were obviously directed to her. I end up asking about financial stuff.</p>
<p>Sorry for typos I am not a good touchscreen typist and I’m on my kindle.</p>
<p>HeavyLidded - tough break on the grades. I think that one of the most frustrating things is knowing your kid didn’t do everything in their power to pull their grade up. I keep telling my son that it would be one thing if he was busting his butt and getting Cs. It’s another thing altogether to ignore the help that’s offered. Lovethekid lovethekid lovethekid lovethekid</p>
<p>Heavy, hang in there, although I empathize with your frustration. Many kids on this thread have a tendency to shut down instead of seeking help. In terms of the college search:</p>
<ol>
<li>The good news is that schools are used to girls struggling with math and science</li>
<li>In looking at schools, you might prefer those without strict math/science distribution requirements or with strong support options–and find out how parents can get warnings, despite privacy rules, of poor midterm performance (it may require a waiver signed by the student).</li>
<li>I think a student with a tendency to give up when struggling is best off in small classes, where the professor can catch before she falls deeply behind and in a match or safety school, rather than a reach school.</li>
</ol>
<p>I hope you are better than I am at giving advice to your child in this situation which effectively conveys both love and an insistence that it not happen again. Good luck and try to stay optimistic yet realistic.</p>
<p>HeavyLidded, I have not been posting or reading cc too much lately, but I did catch your post. My son is also not a math/science person, but he was a B+ student overall in a very good HS. It is because of his struggles in weak areas that I decided it would be best if my son would attend a low match or safety school. This also would take the pressure off him to keep a merit award that he would have needed to go to a private university. I doubted my decision for about 1.5 years of his time in college, but he never doubted his choice once. I looked back, but he never did. He is so happy at his safety school and is doing very well. He feels that he definitely made the choice for himself.</p>
<p>My point is for you not to “sweat it” so much, and do “love the kid on your couch”. I would use the experience as a teaching moment as to what she might do the next time she begins to struggle and how she might go about finding the help that she needs in college. I hope that your DD attends a school that will make her happy.</p>
<p>Cross posted with yabeyabe2. I agree particularly with point #3. My son is in a small school and we all love the advantages that a small school can offer. My son takes advantage of all of the opportunities that he gets at the small school he attends.</p>
<p>Heavy lidded- I understand your feelings. My d’s disappointing final grades meant “letting go” of some schools under consideration and a whole lot more research on my part to find schools that were within reach. I am sure you are feeling disappointed and frustrated. The good news is that I did find plenty of schools to consider and I am sure you will too. My advice is to give yourself a few days to feel lousy about it. When a little time has passed, I’m sure you will feel more positive. It sounds like you have been doing all you can and might just have to “accept the the things you cannot change.” Easier said than done, I know!</p>
<p>Founnd1
Re Union My son’s guidance counselor thought Union was doable with his 3.64 weighted GPA and 2070 SAT scores. His GPA UW is more like 3.2 I have to sit down and calulate it, very confusing. We just returned from St Michaels and I think your son will probably love it. He will definitely have an edge being from CA, most of the applicants are from the northeast, it will be cold though. Is he into rock climbing, hiking, skiing? That’s what many of the kids do on the weekends. Burlington (10 min away by shuttle bus) is a fun city. Does he want to go abroad for a semester or year? They have a great program for studying abroad.</p>
<p>Sorry to hear the grade news Heavylidded. Sometimes a bumpy ride with our kids since we want as many opportunities for them as possible. Sounds like you are doing all the right things though - </p>
<p>A family member had a bumpy 11th grade year and then did really well in 12th and even better in college (a small one, so thinking there is a trend here). Sometimes kids just have a longer glide slope.</p>