<p>[Center</a> for Student Services: Tuition and Fees: Marymount Manhattan College](<a href=“http://www.mmm.edu/offices/center-for-student-services/tuition-and-fees.php]Center”>Tuition and Fees • Center for Student Services • Marymount Manhattan College)</p>
<p>^Here’s another NYC.----$20,000 cheaper than NYU per year.</p>
<p>I think you should be allowed to apply. As a parent of a kid pursuing a degree that will not easily help her find employment, the dream needs to be respected and supported.</p>
<p>Apply, and then when you get in, figure out how you will pay the bill. I didn’t realize how little my children understood what $10,000 is until they had to work in the summers. Now multiply that by 6. Can you pay $60K per year? It’s on you, not on your parents. NYU gives crappy financial aid; it don’t matter what rank you hold if they don’t give you a dime. Apply and figure out how YOU will pay their fees.</p>
<p>We’re from California and my dd went to upstate NY to school. We didn’t know a soul but dd got a nice financial aid package. </p>
<p>You won’t get that.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nyu.edu/content/dam/nyu/financialAid/documents/tuitionstern.pdf[/url]”>http://www.nyu.edu/content/dam/nyu/financialAid/documents/tuitionstern.pdf</a></p>
<p>Here’s the Stern costs for this year. It’ll be more next year and the year after that and so on. Go ahead and apply. If you do get in, see what the bottom line cost is before loans.
NYU is not known for good financial aid.</p>
<p>Whether or not it is your parents’ actual reason, as others have mentioned, the high price of NYU and its relatively poor reputation for financial aid likely makes it unaffordable to most people anyway. Check the net price calculator if you want to see the probable bad news.</p>
<p>“NYU isn’t that great of a school for many majors.” and “I disagree that NYU is a top school.” This comes from one person who hawks U of Alabama and another who recommends Hendrix. They’re just wrong. OP, as a native New Yorker and longtime Yankees fan, I can assure that there are things in this world people love to hate and NYU is one of them. (Hint so are the Yankees and so is NY so, if you end up going there, developing a tough skin is step #1.) You need to approach this logically. What are your parents concerns? Do they have valid concerns or are they misinformed? </p>
<p>NYU is a very good school for many majors (not just business and film although it’s world class for those) and it does have excellent opportunities BUT it has positives and negatives. It is not affordable for many students and it is a very anonymous place that doesn’t have a lot of school spirit. (I am not sure it’s not supportive although that’s what I had always heard on cc. I know someone at NYU who has struggled some under the academics that they find quite rigorous and they say the professors have been very supportive.) </p>
<p>That said, two people in my immediate family who were accepted at NYU received the best financial aid/ scholarship package from NYU, by far. One had merit aid and financial aid and the other just had merit aid. When NYU wants a student, it can be very generous-- and it’s not always obvious who it wants so it can be unpredictable. (One of the two students had high stats and went to an ivy but the other actually had low stats for NYU but was wanted for talent.) If money were the only issue, you could always see if your parents would be willing to let you apply and see what happens. The average school grant for NYU is a little over $17.6 and received by 55% of entering freshmen-- that still makes the school in the high $40s. If you look at the ipeds data on average costs, it is still high for families in the lower income but some students are very happy with the aid they receive there. [College</a> Navigator - New York University](<a href=“http://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=new+york+university&s=all&id=193900#netprc]College”>http://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=new+york+university&s=all&id=193900#netprc)</p>
<p>If their concerns are different,the simple reality is that most parents have some rules about what colleges they will and will not support for their children. Some parents want their kids to attend religious colleges while others would not pay for a religious college. Many parents want their kids to attend college within a certain distance. And NYU is a particular type of school because it’s an urban campus and it is very intense. NY can be overwhelming and the schoolwork at NYU tends to have lots of preprofessional kids who are running from internship or performance to class. Find out what your parents’ concerns are and address their points but you will need to make some sort of compromise. You need financial aid so you need to commit beforehand that if NYU (or any school) comes in above a certain cost, you cannot attend. And you need to make sure you have an affordable safety where you can attend. Good luck to you!</p>
<p>Thanks 2collegewego! Very helpful information. 
And thanks everyone else.</p>
<p>NYU isn’t that great of a school for many majors</p>
<p>Just to be clear…my point was really in regards to its cost and lacking aid, and the fact that those who are attracted to it for simply its NYC location. For many majors, choosing less expensive options is just as viable. For many majors, borrowing ridiculous sums for NYU is just crazy. NYU is the poster child for hugh student loan debt.</p>
<p>In contrast, when I recommend Alabama to high stats students, after the merit award, their costs are about $15k per year…a bargain for any major.</p>
<p>Thanks, 2 collegewego. As a parent of a child who received a very good education at NYU (college of Arts and Sciences, but in a field where NYU can be very helpful with connections, etc) I thanks you for your thoughtful post.</p>
<p>In our case D did not get a penny of FA, merit or otherwise, her stats were very high, but we were full pay and prepared for that going in. If your parents’ concern is financial, I see no harm in applying (not ED) and seeing how much FA is offered. I have seen other posters with experiences like 2cwg.</p>
<p>2collegewego, my position on college selection has always been to look at outcomes. For many students at NYU, the ROI just isn’t there. A smart OOS student who gets his or her education paid for at Alabama, for instance, is going to be in a stronger position entering the job market than one who is saddled with debt. For kids who want to go to med school or a PhD program, LACs like Hendrix and many others make more financial sense. NYU graduates have the highest level of debt of any college in the country. How is that a good thing for young adults just starting out?</p>
<p>I get the NYC thing, by the way. I am from Manhattan originally and my father had a successful career in advertising there. (He is still a hard-core Yankees fan. :)) I do love the city and visit there often. But I wouldn’t encourage my kids to go to NYU.</p>
<p>If there’s a way for you to come visit NYC this winter that would help. Being from Guam, the winters here might be daunting for you. Going to school-- classes, HW, projects, etc. is one thing and you sound like you’re already really good at that part of the whole thing, but living in the place where the school is could be another thing. I live in NYC and love it-- wouldn’t live anywhere else. But it can be daunting. NYU doesn’t have a campus; it’s spread all over a fairly large area of Greenwich Village which is often very crowded with many people not associated with the school. Winter weather can be awful, as can be the summer. NYC is not really a scary place as far as bad things happening, any more than any other big city, in fact, it’s a very safe city, all things considered. But it can be lonely in its enormity and there is so much to do that it can be intimidating. So come visit this winter if you can and see the school and the environment for yourself. If you get bitten by the NYC bug once you’re here, then maybe you’ll have more power in convincing your parents to allow you to apply. If not, well, there are thousands of other schools. And, as many others have said above this post, there are many other more intimate-feeling schools in NYC and immediate surroundings that might be more acceptable.</p>
<p>People are saying “go ahead and apply”. If the only thing stopping you is potential money…then sure, go ahead and apply to NYU but be prepared to walk away if the money isn’t forthcoming. Do NOT plan to guilt your parents into taking out massive loans to fund your dream NYU education. That would turn into a nightmare financially. </p>
<p>BUT…if your parents are saying NO to attending NYU even IF you get accepted, I would strongly suggest you find options that they are in agreement with. Like I said upstream, we had criteria for college choices as well. Our kids knew we would not bend on them AT ALL. There are 3000 colleges in this country. Surely you can create a list of affordable schools that you ALL agree would be fine should you be accepted.</p>
<p>Pushing the “like” button for the posts above by franglish and thumper.</p>
<p>IF the student needs the parents’ money for the application fee, to send test scores, and to submit CSS, and the parents won’t pay, this is all moot. The app process for ONE school can easily be $100+. At holiday time, many modest income folks don’t have an extra $100+ just to throw away on a small hope that the money will be there…especially when the parents don’t want her to go there.</p>
<p>Sorry…even IF the student can drum up the application fees, if the parents say NO, it is a waste of money to apply. Unless, of course, the student is prepared to fully fund the $60,000 a year that NYU will cost.</p>
<p>Sorry, but I do NOT believe in applying to colleges that one will not be able to attend. In this case, the parents are saying NO.</p>
<p>This student’s “dream school” is just that…a dream. There should be other ways to fulfill that dream. Time to start looking. Actually the time to START looking would have been last year.</p>
<p>sally305, There’s a difference between avg debt and that for an individual. I don’t think tons of debt is good for any student from ANY school-- but there’s no question that NYU is a strong school and, yes, stronger academically than U of Alabama or many of the lacs that you’ve recommended. I have nothing against UofA or Hendrix or Centre – but not being able to afford a school or a school not being a gd fit isn’t the same as saying it’s not a good school. NYU’s strength is not that it’s in the city and just being there makes things happen (as witnessed by the fact that NYU grads earn more than Pace, Fordham and Marymount Manhattan grads), the strength of NYU is that has faculty that is still professionally involved in their fields because it’s in the city and a strong school. </p>
<p>As far as pre-meds attending lacs: the only one of my kids who has had trouble finding a job graduated from a top lac and was pre-med. Like most pre-meds, that kid changed their mind and majored in something else, but, alas, going off into seclusion for four years to a remote lac put that kid at a disadvantage for jobs because others have multiple internships that that kid couldn’t get (internships only available for college students, not grads). Kid does have work experience but unpaid internships would have had to take place during the school year-- impossible from the lac. Plus, their career center is not helpful (they even decide for which jobs the alumni can apply through the career center). </p>
<p>Like you, sally305, I would have never encouraged my kid to go to NYU. I grew up in NY decades ago and it was a good, not great school. Plus, my top-lac kiddo wouldn’t give NYU a second look. My sibling who still lives in NY kept telling me I was wrong and the school is much stronger now and I can see the rankings-- but I still had my doubts. Well, now that I am subsidizing the income of the offspring who was my best student because kiddo is living in NY and can’t find a job from elite lac and now that I see NYU kids routinely beat kiddo out for jobs ('cause guess what-- a lot of hiring managers have never heard of lacs even when they’re tops), I am trying to get offspring to apply to NYU for grad school so that kid can compete with kids who have bachelor’s from NYU. Live and learn. (And, again, I’m not advocating taking huge debt for ANY school because, had my same top lac kid had huge debt, kiddo could not have even moved to NY because income would have been tied up. However, I also won’t slam a good school because it’s unaffordable and I also know from personal experience that there’s a remote chance that a student can get very good money from NYU.) </p>
<p>Going back to the OP… he needs to know how much money his family can afford. I allowed my kids to apply to all sorts of colleges, knowing that they had to come in under X amount for them to attend. All my kids had affordable safeties although one kid was in trouble when the safety lost their application and they weren’t admitted because the class was full. (I routinely advocate having two safeties, if possible.) No school is worth huge debt. But the OP wants to go to Stern. For business, the school name is more important than being in NY so I would not advocate Marymount Manhattan for a business major. This kid has a top gpa and what could be a geographic hook. I thought I saw last night that test scores were a concern. If family is low-income with no non-custodial parent or huge assets, kiddo should include some test-optional top schools that meet full need.</p>
<p>We had criteria for our son in applying to colleges. That he respected them was one of the signs to us that he was mature enough to go to college. Your parents are giving you a huge gift, don’t make the mistake of taking it for granted because you wanted a different gift.</p>
<p>Thanks everyone! Such helpful information. I’m so glad I posted this question! Thank you so much! Yes, my parents do not make a lot, and tuition is definitely a thing, but I am fully qualified for many grants, and hopefully more aid. It is my dream school because it is in NYC and because I want to go to Stern (such a good business school!) and major in Economics. My other options are the UC schools and I’m hoping I get into Haas. NYU is very expensive, but my parents’ main reasons are that it’s too far away from relatives and family members.</p>
<p>And thanks pugmadkate! I know, I have talked it out with them and told them that I accept whatever they tell me. If they do not want me to apply to NYU, it’s okay. I can always transfer there after spending two years at a community college in California. At least that’s what’s keeping my hopes up!</p>
<p>@franglish, thanks a lot! Yeah, that’s what everyone here has been telling me - the change from Guam weather to NYC weather will be INSANE. I have not even experienced my first snow! 
But thanks a lot for all your advice. It helps a lot!</p>