<p>yea i was told february 19th when I called. Well its complicated because i know for a FACT that they are "deliberating" on the 19th, and since the nursing class is so small they usually deliberate and release decisions on the same day...BUT....if the nursing class is as big as im hearing its getting (<em>cough</em> tenebrousfire lol) then idk if that still holds true.</p>
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And in the DP article, Furda seems to be satisfied with the status quo. :( Maybe that's just a bit of false bravado for PR purposes, and he really has a secret plan to kick-start (or restart?) the expansion of the applicant pool, or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.</p>
<p>My sense, though, is that Penn has lost much of the undergraduate admissions momentum it had in the first half of this decade, and it needs to get that mojo back. Perhaps the incoming new trustees chairman (a kick-ass, get-it-done kinda guy), will help to ignite that.</p>
<p>So if Penn is your first choice for nursing what is your second and third choices ?</p>
<p>I think the problem with not getting more applications is multi-faceted. I think HPY get many more "shot in the dark","might as well apply to my dream school" applications. I think lots of students now think Brown may be easier to get into and they stand a better shot. I also think Penn need to stop relying on their Ivy League status and get out and make the name more popular. Maybe they should consult some marketing people in Wharton for an approach. All the other Ivies and top schools were marketing much more heavily this last admission cycle. Even schools like Harvard, MIT and Stanford. They had sent out viewbooks without having to request them and instead you had to request them form Penn several times. They just didn't seem as admission friendly as the other top institutions. They also need to work on their appeal in general. There were plently of people we knew that applied to Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell but Penn never entered in the conversation, rather sad.</p>
<p>no not for this year's nursing class, but possibly starting as soon as for those applying next cycle</p>
<p>yeah i received multiple viewbooks and letters from all the other ivies and Mit/Stan but never got anything from Penn. luckily i did the research on my own and visited penn and loved it but i know alot of people from my school who applied to pretty much all the ivies/top schools and alot of them left penn out</p>
<p>The 22,845 total applications for Penn do not include the 220 applications through QuestBridge, from which Penn admitted 26. However, even adding those applications (which I'm not sure should be included), Penn would still lag its peers. How about Brown going up by 21%?!</p>
<p>motheroftwogirls: 1st choice: Penn (go QUAKERS), 2nd Choice: NYU (go bobcats), 3rd choice: Rutgers (go scarlet knights), 4th choice(s): NYIT and Drexel (idc what their mascots are because im hoping I dont have to go to these schools....dont get me wrong, they are great but I just love penn, nyu, and rutgers)</p>
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I think you've got it right. I'm hoping that this has just been somewhat of a transitional year for the Admissions Office under the new Furda regime (it is his first year, after all), and that the focus has been more on automating and computerizing the admissions process than on expanding and diversifying the applicant pool. However, admissions is largely a PR battle of perceptions at this level of competition, and slippage of even a year or two can be difficult to reverse. Optimistically, I'm hoping that the whole "excellence-to-eminence" mantra of the Gutmann administration means that there's a longer-term game plan afoot on the undergraduate admissions front.</p>
<p>I think that this is good news for me personally, as an applicant for 2013, but I don't think it's SUCH good news, since the acceptance rate is still going to be extremely low.
But I'm surprised that most people applied to all the Ivies except Penn. I was considering Penn from the very beginning and ended up visiting it, liking it very much (HSOC/EALC ftw), and applying. I found Penn to be one of the more unique Ivies in terms of education, and hope I get a chance to attend.</p>
<p>NYU = Violets (I think. No kidding. They have a Bobcat mascot, but are not "The Bobcats")</p>
<p>Drexel = Dragons</p>
<p>Dear Eric Furda, stop fiddling with your inter-webs and get to your job: recruiting gobs and gobs of students who want to apply to Penn.</p>
<p>^ Maybe he felt that they needed to get the inter-webs up and running to peak efficiency before they could effectively handle the gobs and gobs of additional applicants he plans to recruit. (We can hope so, anyway. :rolleyes:)</p>
<p>People complain when apps are up and now people complain when apps are down. Make up your mind.</p>
<p>IMO, I like this because I have a better chance of being accepted. :)</p>
<p>^ It's pretty simple: applicants want the number of apps to be down, and current students and alums want it to be up. :)</p>
<p>Just to state the obvious, rjacob, current applicants are the ones who complain when apps go up, and alumni and current students are the ones complaining when they're down. For its own sake, it is pretty clear Penn has to do a much better job of attracting more applicants and, more important than that, the best applicants.</p>
<p>While I would love to have seen applications rise, I'm much more interested in seeing the new National Research Council rankings that should be released soon (I hope). That will give us a good idea of just how far Penn has come.</p>
<p>Chi-town23_33, I agree completely. While app numbers (and therefore selectivity) is impactful for US News type rankings, the NRC rankings of PhD programs is FAR more important.</p>
<p>The NRC has moved the issue date again and again. No real explanations are given. And speculation is futile. Penn has made huge investments in faculty and training, but so have Princeton, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Columbia, etc. </p>
<p>A book titled "The Rise of American Research Universities..." size-adjusted the old NRC rankings of private schools. Their ranking was</p>
<p>1 Stanford
2 Princeton
3 Chicago/Harvard/Yale
6 Columbia
7 Penn/Duke</p>
<p>I'd guess a current size adjusted ranking might look like:</p>
<p>Stanford
Princeton
Harvard
Yale/Chicago
Penn
Columbia
Duke</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
<p>My gut tells me Columbia would come out (just barely) ahead of Penn, but aside from Malcom Gladwell, nobody is going to put much stock in my gut.</p>
<p>Alums and current students who want the number of applicants to keep going up and up are just after prestige. The more difficult Penn is to get into now, the more impressive their degrees look. Penn may have recieved fewer applicants this year, but average SAT scores and GPA's are up, so Penn will have no trouble fielding a class that is equal to last year's, and competitive with any other top school. Once you get over 20,000 apps, I don't think getting any more is really going to have any real impact on the quality of the class.</p>
<p>btw, RD acceptance rate will probably be down from last year, because Penn accepted more ED applicants this year, and the RD numbers are up slightly.</p>