<p>I am going into business and am wondering which school would be better for me, also which school has an overall better college experience, like social, nicer campus, school spirt, academics, ect, ect, ect.</p>
<p>penn state is waaaay better quality-wise, and will definitely give you a better edge for grad school...both will probably give you a similar state school party atmosphere</p>
<p>ranking wise indiana is better but quality wise they might be on par.</p>
<p>i can't really say one is really that much better than the other....except perhaps psu got a slightly better location</p>
<p>IU poor sports except for men's soccer.........PSU has Paterno and much more.</p>
<p>IU poor sports? </p>
<p>Hello, Basketball? Ranked 8th in the nation?</p>
<p>Paterno had one good year in the past like 10. PSU is terrible at basketball.</p>
<p>one good year? lol Theyve only had a bad record for like 3 seasons......good thing to see you follow football a2 ;)</p>
<p>IU is terrible at football :P</p>
<p>When was the last time they won the Big Ten before last year?</p>
<p>In fact, Penn State didn't even finish in the top 10 since 1996. Yes, 10 years ago, which coincidentally happens to be the last time they beat Michigan.</p>
<p>And they haven't won a NC since 1986, 20 years ago.</p>
<p>Of course, only at mediocre schools like Penn State would less than a Big Ten championship and out of the top 10 mean a "good year". </p>
<p>BTW - Indiana ranks ahead of Penn State in CNNSI.com's "Best Sports Colleges"</p>
<p>i don give a crap about bests sports colleges lol You forgetting that the Big-Ten has one of the best (if not the best) Conferences in football. Tough competition for everyone. </p>
<p>whens the last time Indiana has won a basketball NC</p>
<p>Id say that you seem to be ahting on PSU to call it a mediocro school......</p>
<p>Overall I think IU's legacy in basketball and PSU's legacy in football are comparable</p>
<p>I also would consider If you live in the state of either</p>
<p>No, I live in Michigan, I don't have a biased viewpoint one or another. </p>
<p>Indiana went to the NC in 2002. They won the Big 10 in Basketball in 2001-02, 4 years ago. They have been great every year in Basketball, making the tournament (equivalent to making a bowl game) 3 of the last 4 years, last year being the only absense. </p>
<p>Penn State wasn't in a Bowl game 2000-01, 2001-02, 2003-04, or 2004-05. Only 2 of the last 7 years. They weren't even ranked at the end of the season in 2000-01, 2001-02, 2003-04, or 2004-05. That's not a legacy. That's mediocre.</p>
<p>No I was talkin to goblue about the state thing a2 I know your from Mich. from your other posts ;)</p>
<p>And so A few recent bad years erases a whole legacy? and I do mean a few years you seem to only include four years for indiana though? why not take their stuff back 20 years ago? and also some of PSU's lost bowl games have been against good teams. Indiana making the tournament does not equal a good bowl bid</p>
<p>BTW-I still say look how good the Big-Ten is in football......</p>
<p>We are getting away from providing our opinions for him however, so Id say PSU if your in PA and IU if your in Indiana.
Id say PSU if your OS for both. Not only is the business progran like .1 behind it in the rankings but the networking oppurtunities is something to look at and the school is better overall if you ever want to dual major or decide business aint wat u want.
About the campus-visit each to see which you like more :)</p>
<p>The Kelley is far superior to Smeal. It's not the .2 difference in rank that is important (although that is just another advantage that Kelley has to Smeal), rather the employer assessment rank (how potential employers view a degree from the university), starting salary, average GMAT score, internship oppurtunities, scholarship oppurtunities, and graduate school possibilities, where Kelley is superior to Smeal in all. Nearly every single business rating has Kelley ahead of Smeal; US News, Business Week, Forbes, etc. </p>
<p>Art critic Thomas Gaines called IU one of America's five most beautiful universities in The Campus as a Work of Art. The town of Bloomington offers much more than University Park, which is essentially just a college town and no city. </p>
<p>And yes a few (If you mean 10 years) years erases a legacy. Is Michigan thought of as a Basketball powerhouse anymore? And by the way, you were the one to get off subject, now you want to get back on subject because you realize you were wrong?</p>
<p>lol A2 you never seem to mention Indiana farther than 4 years back...and My comments about the Big-ten football but oh wells I guess we'll both be stubborn :)</p>
<p>where do u get the employer assessment rank? (Im not being smart ive actually never been able to locate one :P)
I also contend that companies based around the northeast would view PSU as better as Midwest probably would view IU as better
like I said Both schools are good (despite the PSU hater A2) and its more of a personal decision. Visit the schools, sit in on some classes and see which you perfer</p>
<p>A2 doesn't hate PSU, he just likes IU better because he just got his admisson letter from there...</p>
<p>I don't need to mention Indiana basketball further than 4 years back. That was the Bobby Knight era, and that was the glory years of Indiana basketball. There's no criticizing that, because all they did was win. </p>
<p>Employer assessment rating is found with graduate school ratings in the US News and World Report.</p>
<p>I don't see how a top 10 business school, with just as strong of a MBA program (top 20) would have their degree looked upon worse than a MBA from a top 40 business school. Penn State doesn't have a good MBA program, and I wouldn't recommend it for business over IU, already for the reasons i've stated. The IU degree is better, the education is better, and the environment is better. </p>
<p>I don't hate PSU, i'm just logical enough to realize that Kelley is a better school than Smeal for business. Maybe i'm not the PSU hater, rather you're the PSU homer, because all of the rankings and statements agree with me, rather you just keep putting out incorrect statements.</p>
<p>You seem to follow rankings like a religion....Your citing employer assessment for grad, why? AS I KEEP SAYING.....each school is good enough for you to choose where you feel more comfortable at...</p>
<p>BTW-like i said before as how the schools are viewed....it matters what part of the country your from</p>
<p>As viewed through those Hoosier Red Lenses.........</p>
<p>Both are good schools. IU is better though. The employers view it better (Indiana's Employer assessment score is 4.0, Penn State's is 3.2, a very large difference), the other professors view it better, it's salaries are better, it's GMAT scores are better. I honestly don't know how that isn't enough to convince someone it's a better school.</p>
<p>Both are in the Midwest, both are Big 10 schools. I don't see how location is going to be biased in hiring practices. It's not like Indiana is a relatively unknown LAC California school, rather a top 10 business institution who sends tons of students to major firms. Kelley has a fantastic reputation that many big businesses hire out of. The school's reputation is much more important than it's location.</p>
<p>See I've been debating this as well(although not with 2 schools, but with 4). My problem is the location of the two. I want come back and work in the east in a city like New York. Smeal seems to be the better choice because it's pretty close to the east, and my guess would be for recruiters to go there first before they go to Indiana. But then again, I could be wrong, which is why I am having a tough time deciding what B-school to pick(I am debating b/w Illinois, Indiana, PSU, Maryland).</p>
<p>PSU is Northeast not midwest......and didnt u say it was a grad school assessment rating?</p>
<p>also-mentioning salaries isnt really much considering they can change drastically from where you live</p>
<p>I don't get it. Now salaries aren't important. Ranks aren't important. Quality of your education isn't important. Reputation of your school isn't important. But of course, being in the state of Pennsylvania automatically makes it better than any other school, because it's closer to NYC and recruiters will use that to their advantage? This is how you are using to determine schools? </p>
<p>I don't see how recruiters would go to Smeal before IU, and how that's a reason Smeal would be a better choice. They both aren't exactly where the recruiters are going to go to first. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Penn, Columbia, Dartmouth, Cornell, Carnegie Mellon, NYU, ALL of those schools would be more appealing to employers than Penn State. And then there is other top notch colleges, Stanford, WUSTL, Northwestern, Emory, Berkeley, Georgetown, Virginia, Michigan, USC, all of them would be higher on employer preference than Penn State. So I wouldn't understand how if you plan on working in the Northeast, you would choose PSU, as there are a good 30 schools employers would rather take students from. Also, wouldn't the employer assessment rank be a better indicator of how employers view the schools, and if they would hire the students there, since they are the one's who rank those schools?!</p>
<p>Smeal has a good reputation for UG business, it ranks 18th, but it's graduate school is significantly weaker. It ranks 37th in graduate business, it's starting salaries are low, it's GMAT score average is low, it's employer assessment ranks are low, it's peer assessment ranks are low (this is all speaking in comparison to top business schools, who's graduates make nearly double). If you are going into business, you have to go to grad school to make any significant money.</p>
<p>Honestly, go and pick up a copy of US News and World Report, or Business Week's top business schools and educate yourselves. There are just too many incorrect statements made on these boards by biased posters.</p>