<p>I've noticed lots of hard talk from people about how Penn is the WashU of Ivies because of its steep rise in the rankings? Why is there all of this bashing towatd a good school that happens to be improving it's academic reputation. Some shouted "number fudging" when Penn hit #4 in the US News Rankings. Other expressed disbelief that Penn could beat out Columbia, U.Chicago and Stanford. </p>
<p>I don't understand where all of the negativity comes from by people in the HYP crowd? Is it because isn't WASPy enough? It's too professionally oriented? Are they upset because it's a school that internationals (to them, just gunners) love?</p>
<p>A little harsh on Penn, don't ya think? Penn is also highly ranked in other guides besides US News. It is also an Ivy. WashU is not an Ivy and only has a top spot in the US News rankings. In all of the other rankings, its mediocre.</p>
<p>And c'mon Mondo, DUKE is a bit overated. Better than Chicago? No.</p>
<p>Hahah Cornell + Duke both have inferiority complexes to Penn. It's okay let him say what he wants to say if it makes him feel empowered.</p>
<p>No one can offer any evidence that penn fudges its numbers except by pointing to the fact that Penn takes almost 50% of its class from early decision. Penn is a school of 2400 kids per class. Even if it took 50% of its class early decision, it's taking a number equal to Princeton's entire class during regular decision (1200-1300). Also, I see nothing wrong ensuring that at least 50% of the kids in a class have Penn as their first choice and love it that much. It creates an atmosphere of high school spirit.</p>
<p>It's cool though. Duke is a good school you should focus on loving IT and not hating on other schools.</p>
<p>And I've never heard Penn being the WashU of the east hahahah that's sort of saying Harvard is the USC of the northeast.</p>
<p>Penn's international reputation soars above it's domestic one. This is also another factor for why some on the HYP side dislike it. It brings in too many internationals whom they deem are just gunner professional types.</p>
<p>Well, the comparison of Penn and Washing U in the East Coast probably comes out of jealousy. I'm not so sure if Penn is truly overrated because I've only studied in nowhere else but this freaking amazing university and I doubt if whoever believes in this comparison actually goes "out there" and get enough information to prove that Penn is not as it seems to be. I don't want to make an assumption that Washington U is overrated, either. But let's suppose if Penn is overrated, I'm still proud to be a part of it. At least we are smart enough to make ourselves over-rather than under-rated</p>
<p>If Cornell and Duke can name area as broad as business where they are the unquestioned #1 along with some other specific disciplines where they are in the top group like psychology or some medical majors, then they can claim to be as highly ranked as Penn.</p>
<p>While most Penn haters subtract Wharton from Penn, there is no question that Penn is #1 in that field. Secondly, Penn is also highly ranked over the lower ivies in several fields. </p>
<p>Penn is Columbia's peer and respectably holds the spot of being a middle Ivy right behind HYP.</p>
<p>I don't think Penn fudges its numbers at all- in fact, they seem weaker compared to many of its peer schools.
I haven't analyzed the methodology of the rankings though- so I can't really judge.</p>
<p>So tell me why USNWR overrates Penn. And please don't use the "wharton pushes up its numbers" error because
a) it's only 20% of the school
b) engineering and nursing numbers which are weaker counter it</p>
<p>Citing SAT scores Mondo? ...kay</p>
<p>And no one said Duke is overrated. Not sure why you brought that up.</p>
<p>Uh that would be my fault. I said it was a bit overrated. At least in terms of being ranked over U. Chicago. </p>
<p>But overall, I still think that he was way off on Penn. Penn is a dynamic school that keeps getting picked on because it's too professionally/tech driven filled with gunner types (in New England this translates into foreigner). Also, what hurts its image, at least domestically, is the confusion with Penn State. I guess people just cannot picture an Ivy League school with the name University of X-State</p>
<p>UChicago might be "better" but who would want to go there over any of the peer schools? Penn isn't the WashU of the East. WashU has a lot of similarities to Penn, but was established after and ranked lower in nearly every departmental and professional school ranking. WashU wishes it was Penn.</p>
<p>Penn is just an all-around powerhouse. Check out the rankings, not only in US News, but also the NRC and Center for University Performance. I think it becomes clear that as a university, Penn is clearly one of the elite with only Harvard and Stanford being able to have strong claims of superiority. Everyone else (Yale, Columbia, Berkeley, Chicago) are on the same level with Penn. Princeton could be there or a bit lower overall. Wash U, however, is not close to Penn on any level, undergrad or graduate.</p>
<p>Well you're in India. Asia as a whole really likes Penn for its professionally oriented studies. This is the reason why the HYP crowd dislike the school.</p>
<p>To be fair, I would have probably turned down Duke for Penn if I got into Penn my senior year.
However, it's all very random.
The person from my class who is now at Penn was rejected by Duke.</p>
<p>I'm Asian, too but I choose Penn because I think the resources that Philadelphia and Penn can enrich my liberal arts education. My parents, however, like Penn because they think that it's pre-professional. In general I agree with TimeDivide07 that Asian like to specialize in a specific job field in college and Penn is really well-known for that in Asia.</p>
<p>Is it mainly India that really likes Penn so much or all of Asia? According to Ilovebagels, it's even more renown than Princeton? Is this true? </p>
<p>I think I will head off to Penn for grad studies in Engineering. Would this be a wise choice, if I want to take the degree abroad?</p>