<p>Wash U and UNC will cost a total of 40k for 4 years, while Brown or Penn would cost about 120 k (cost difference is due to tuition benefit from Wash U and the fact that UNC is cheaper in general)</p>
<p>My family is well off, but extra money never hurt anyone</p>
<p>My interests is Premed, or if that doesnt work out I would go into international relations. either way, ill be performing music in an orchestra at least, if not in a jazz band too at the school i attend.</p>
<p>So what would you all do?
this is all hypothetical as i have not gotten into any of these schools :P</p>
<p>I would consider applying to JHU. Johns Hopkins given its strength in premed (world class research opportunities at the medical, nursing, public health schools and #1 hospital in the world are all at your disposal), strength in international relations (Hopkins SAIS is among the finest leading IR schools out there), and strength in music (Peabody Institute’s peers are among the best; ie. Juilliard, Curtis, Eastman, Oberlin, NEMC, etc…). Plus it’s on the east coast… :D</p>
<p>Brown, Penn, and to a (marginally) lesser degree WUSTL are all very difficult schools at which to gain admission. You would be wise to apply to all 3 and see to what degree that helps make the decision for you, as all 3 schools all have excellent programs in both pre-med and international relations and ample performing arts opportunities.</p>
<p>Also, I’d ask your parent who has the tuition benefit to further examine the policies. My own dad has worked at two different university-hospital systems and both offered a policy of 100% tuition reimbursement if the kid went to their own school, and 40% reimbursement if they went to any other school in the United States…</p>
<p>therefore, total costs to penn or brown = 50k-20k per year= 30 k per year = 120k
wash u = 50 k - 40k = 10k per year = 40 k
UNC (OOS) = 30 k - 20 k per year = 10 k per year = 40 K</p>
<p>these numbers are VERY rounded, but thats the idea.
I am applying to all 4 schools as of now, and additionally northwestern, tufts, UVM, Duke, and Dartmouth</p>
<p>but its a strictly hypothetical question. the reason wash u wouldnt be my downright choice in this situation is that despite saving me 80 k over 4 years, I live 2 blocks away from the university -_-. Its a matter of getting away from home. Its not the most important issue, but its a large reason why the university is not very attractive to me.</p>
<p>why harvard?
i know some people claim that hpy are better than any other schools, but in my book i would go to penn or brown before hpy (why i am not applying to hpy). </p>
<p>on another note, why the dismissal of unc? its my ea school, and ive thought that id rather go there than washu because i get the cheaper education with an experience outside of st louis</p>
<p>To me, UNC is a rather weird place, in that there are tons of OOS applicants fighting for a limited # of spots (20% of the incoming class), while in-state applicants can gain admission relatively easily. I think the acceptance rate for OOS hovers around 15%, though I’m not finding the statistics right now.</p>
<p>What you see is that the largest groups of in-state freshman scored in the 1200’s and 1300’s, while the OOS freshmen were primarily in the 1300’s and 1400’s. Overall, the typical OOS freshman outscored his/her in-state counterpart by an average of 48 points on the CR/Math section alone, and a whopping 79 points if the writing score is included!</p>
<p>So I just don’t see UNC as being a very good “admissions value” for OOS applicants, even though it may be a decent financial value. Don’t get me wrong - I am a native Carolinian and love UNC for the most part. It is a very good school and offers an almost ideal traditional college atmosphere. But I think out-of-state applicants actually pump up the reputation of the school more than it deserves through applying in droves!</p>
<p>You know, all of this strategizing and agonizing might be for naught. I suggest you wait to see where you get in first, and then decide. You might have a different outlook or a different set of priorities in a few months.</p>
<p>Actually 80 points, averaged out, is alot. Doesn’;t seem like much, but over thousands of students its meaningful.</p>
<p>Personally I love UNC-CH. I think WashU is a better school overall, but for a would-be doctor the difference is marginal at best. I don’t see how it will only be 40K for four years though, UNC OOS tuition is 25K per year. I think you might be confusing their in-state tuition number.</p>
<p>As for Penn/ Brown no difference. Pick the one you like more (I would pick Brown).</p>
<p>i was sceptical too, slippers.
i just looked it up. TOTAL costs (thats literally everything, including estimated fees and personal financing, everything) = 34k OOS</p>
<p>minus 19 from wash u = 15k per year = 60 k
wash u = 12 k per year= 48 k</p>
<p>so yes, i was mistaken, there is a 12k difference</p>
<p>but the issue for me is, given the financial differences, and the fact that i want to get out of stl, where should i go? is wash u that much better a school than UNC to justify staying in stl over the other “cheaper” school? or are penn and brown that much better than UNC that if i just HAVE to get out of stl its worth the extra money to go there?</p>
<p>All of the schools you mentioned are great in pre-med. Wherever you go you’re going to be studying a lot and will probably be working your butt off just to pull off B’s to salvage an decent GPA. I’d say go to Brown or Penn because a 3.5 at Penn/Brown looks a lot nicer than a 3.5 at WashU or UNC. I think overall brown and penn are also better schools.</p>
<p>it seems like you are considering the financial factor
those schools are all good. if u go to cheap ones u may have extra money to spend out of college
but u better consider the environment or everything around each college. idk which is best for premed, but i will pick Penn if I have $$ because all people will try to work, which encourages u to do the same :D</p>
<p>I completely agree with this. Well, I would rather be at Penn or Brown over Harvard in that I know I would get a better education at Penn and Brown, and enjoy my undergraduate years much more than I would at Harvard.</p>
<p>But Harvard is Harvard. And while it’s necessarily a great place to be, it is a great place to be from</p>
<p>You are confusing what I said. I said if it were between Harvard and WashU (with much reduced tuition), I would then hestitate. This is assuming that you’d go through the trouble to apply at the first place and that doesn’t apply to you. Harvard has the unrivaled brand-name and people do give up scholarships from another first-tier school for Harvard (when they apply and then actually get accepted). If all you care about is “better education” (in this case, best value eduation), you wouldn’t turn down WashU at much cheaper rate for Brown/Penn when you don’t even know if Brown/Penn provides better education than WashU (I personally don’t think so; WashU has higher SAT score than Penn so you can’t use that as justification to turn down WashU) at the first place. None of us knows better than yourself how much you feel you “have to” get out of St. Louis.</p>
<p>WashU that cheap is a good deal. UNC is a large research U. Def different experience than at the other schools.Other poster is right that your peer group is a lot lower for an OOS student than if you went to the other schools listed. Unless you just need warmer weather and love BBall (other options then would be Duke/Georgetown/Vanderbilt)</p>
<p>its not the location in particular, or the sports. i do like the spirit of the school, something that i have heard wash u lacks. still, wash u is a great school, just too close to home in some ways :(</p>