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Food for thought: At least Cornellians can make an A without actually having to read the material. That's a weakness now?
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<p>This is actually a bad thing... it shows Cornell doesn't grade hard enough in ILR if their students can get As without reading the material. If anybody in engineering puts off reading until the night before their final, Cornell would fail their ass hardcore.</p>
<p>I think Spanks is an anomaly. One of my closest friends is ILR, and he usually doesn't put things off and he gets worse grades... maybe Spanks is talented enough to cram like (s)he did and get an A.</p>
<p>Ditto to Brown_Man from above. I think it almost every instance someone who doesn't read the material at all is a lazy bum and shouldn't be at an Ivy League school. Apparently this isn't the case for spanks, so I was wrong about her.</p>
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Additionally, I'm not going to talk about prestige too much, but the notion that Penn is more prestigiuos that Cornell in the US is absolutely ridiculous. How does one quanitfy prestige?
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<p>I think Penn is slightly more prestigious than Cornell, probably in most part due to its acceptance rate. Although my friend who went there couldn't tell an average person (state schoolers) that he went to Penn without the response, "Oh my friend goes to Penn State too". Also, yes prestige is hard to quantify, but everyone just kind of knows it. It's the same thing for beauty. </p>
<p>However, from my personal experience, debating prestige amongst lower tier Ivies is ridiculous. There are two tiers: HYP together and then the other five together. Maybe Columbia is slightly above the other four in its tier and Harvard is the same for its tier. But anything else is a wash.</p>
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Harvard is not slightly above...it is miles. I have never come across a person who didn't know Harvard...
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<p>You don't measure a school's strength by popularity. If I get in both Harvard and Cornell, I am not going to Harvard. (Don't ask my why, I have my reasons.)</p>
<p>you most certainly are challenged in ILR...</p>
<p>you might not have to read all the readings...but you certainly do read...please ignore spanks...</p>
<p>Harvard is great for liberal arts majors...harvard may be miles ahead at the programs it has, but cornell has more programs and is on par with its liberal arts as well D:</p>
<p>Harvard is not even ahead in the programs it has. Harvard's strength lies in its Grad schools, not in its undergrad. Most of Cornell's program are on par if not ahead of Harvard. Yes there are some programs in which Harvard might excel and some it doesn't but that can be said for any school. For instance, comparing the CS program at Harvard to the one at Cornell is ridiculous, because Cornell is miles ahead. </p>
<p>Additionally, how the heck can we say that one school is slightly more prestigious than any other school. Is it my name recognition. Probably not, because then a lot of the most selective and prestigious instutitions in some social circles wouldn't be considered prestigious at all. Ie. LACs. Additionally, if you want to judge schools by acceptance rate, then is U of C not prestigious....yea. You guys see my point? The fact that Penn uses ED more than Cornell doesn't make it more prestigious. Nor does that fact that Harvard's marketing is sheer genius make it better than Cornell. I'm sorry you can't quantify prestige and any prestige calculation is left up to the individual person, there is literally no rational basis for it.</p>
<p>The fact that every Tom, Dick and Harry knows Harvard doesn't make it a better school...that seems to be a common misconception on these boards.</p>
<p>I'm confused at why 08seniors08 is SO convinced that Harvard is the most amazing school ever. I mean, seriously, without saying "US News Ranking" can you give a real reason why? Have you ever attended Harvard? I mean...people just trust these rankings so much...it's odd.</p>
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<p>The Penn inferiority complex is blazing here. What's the matter, your uncle confused your school for Penn State again? Need to bash Cornell to convince yourself of your self-worth?</p>
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Have you ever attended Harvard? I mean...people just trust these rankings so much...it's odd.
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<p>08 seniors is an insecure tool prefrosh who is headed off to Penn. He doesn't go to Harvard, but probably wishes he did. He's insecure of Penn's reputation so he has to come in here to bash Cornell so that he can convince himself that his pathetic self is worth something.</p>
<p>No but seriously you should know that I'm just toying with you and that I don't actually think ill of Cornell except for the fact that it just wasn't a fit for me... I hoped you would have realized that by now...</p>
<p>Uhhh... I did get into Penn. Penn engineering CTE.</p>
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No but seriously you should know that I'm just toying with you and that I don't actually think ill of Cornell except for the fact that it just wasn't a fit for me.
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<p>I don't think ill of Penn either except for the fact that it just wasn't a fit for me. I am glad I decided not to go there after running into people like you. I stayed at King's Court for their admit weekend and they were full of arrogant kids like you- it should serve as an awesome fit for you. Enjoy your 4 years in Killadelphia.</p>
<p>Lol still bitter about not getting into Penn? It's cool you can come during spring fling and get drunk and mugged by us horribly ghettofied philadelphians =)</p>
<p>heheh it's fun watching you get upset =) chillax chillax.. just step away from the gulch... step away from the gulch...</p>
<p>Here's a PM from your buddy Venkat89 that I received back in the day:</p>
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<p>Well there are several things, for starters I'm internationals studying Comp sci so things may be different for you.</p>
<p>ok let's see for starters:
~ Penn does not offer CPT (the term for intern co-op credits that only applies to international student) classes, most other universities offer such classes. This makes things harder for me to do internship because there are many "paperwork maneuvers" that I have to do in order to be able to work.
~ IMO the computing facilities is a bit lacking... no dedicated SEAS computer especially for CS students. (you may attack me here, but hey that's the truth. if you compare penn's to public school like Univ of washington, penn facilities is not so great.. in UW every CS classes have its own dedicated lab) that means no waiting for "reserved lab" that often happens in moore 100AB and 200.
~you'll see that not many tech company visits penn engineering (except maybe MS, Google but Google doesnt do campus interview). If you compare it to top 10 school in CS like cornell, UW, UCB, UT austin, UIUC, etc Penn loses big time. But the good thing if you're interested in finance you'll see goldman sachs, credit suisse and all financial companies flocking to hire Penn SEAS. But as I said in the thread, I'm not interested working in finance so I don't really care about goldman whatever
~ the CS class offering is lacking. For example: Only one operating system, compiler course is offered in CSE. Compare it to Stanford which offer CS140(undergrad OS-1),240 (undergrad/grad OS, and many variant like CS240A,B etc..
~ I don't like some of the faculties teaching but hey that's me I don't know about you. I'm not particularly fond of a particular teacher at CSE(the celebrated CS prof at penn) teaching. Some other faculties are not technically strong but they're very good at doing fluff talk (I can name poeple but I prefer not say name)</p>
<p>That's not everything, I can also ramble other stuff at penn in general but I'll refrain from doing so. Penn is not a bad school or something like that but I think for people who want to learn pure engineering Penn is not the best school. But for people who want to do finance/engineering Penn is a great school. IMO the ultimate part of penn is wharton. Hey if you disagree whatever, but when I think of Penn, I think of Wharton. Just for example: if you apply to companies, you often have to select which school are you from right? these companies usually have University of Pennsylvania option and Wharton School option (with note saying something like this: "if you're wharton student please choose Wharton not Upenn)") You may defend that penn is not all about wharton but whatever I think many people would agree wharton is the elite student at penn.</p>
<p>Sorry if this offends you in any way. This kinda looks like a long rant hehehe
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<p>I stand by my decision... Penn engineering sucks.</p>
<p>Judging from your posts, it looks like you're not in Wharton either! Enjoy being a second class-citizen at Penn.</p>
<p>"lol still bitter about not getting into Penn"</p>
<p>Did he NOT just say he was accepted to Penn Engineering? Are you too deluded to hear that? </p>
<p>I would have turned down Harvard (had I applied, been accepted) or Penn for Cornell - Cornell is simply my favorite school. I don't know why you have to be so shallow that your list of favorite schools mirrors the US News College Rankings list.</p>
<p>Graduate School-wise, for Engineering:</p>
<p>Cornell is #9.
Harvard is #22.
Penn is #30.</p>
<p>Lol I can say it again if you wish. I am toying with you silly Cornellians. Chill out because I'm obviously trying to act like a ******. I didn't actually think you people would take me seriously. It's actually hilarious how fervent you are on this internet site... get a life, please? Or a reality check..</p>