<p>^seeing as they’re both Ivy League institutions, I wouldn’t see how Penn wouldn’t consider Yale a peer school.</p>
<p>Well, Yale offered me almost a full ride (including room and food) whereas Penn offered me full tuition. So I’m not sure either, but I am pretty set on going to Yale anyhow. Penn is an awesome place, but I’m afraid I’d get swamped by the huge population.</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, I don’t at all find Penn’s population to be daunting. I literally can’t walk across campus without seeing people I know on Locust Walk.</p>
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Of course Penn considers Yale to be a peer school, and vice versa. It’s only in the silly little world of College Confidential, dominated as it is by high school and college students with little or no real world experience, that HYPSM would not be considered to be peers of the other Ivies and top schools. The faculties and administrations of these schools definitely consider each other to be peers, as is demonstrated every day on a multitude of levels.</p>
<p>And yes, it’s my understanding that Penn would match the full financial aid package of any other Ivy, including Yale, as well as the full need-based package of any other top school, such as Stanford, MIT, Duke, etc., at least for any citizen or permanent resident of the US, Canada, or Mexico (for whom Penn is need-blind).</p>
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Compared to Yale’s, Penn’s population is not so much larger as to make much of a difference. Once you get above the size of a small liberal arts college, you really aren’t going to notice the difference between the 11,000 students on the Yale campus and the 20,000 students on the Penn campus. Further, the Penn campus is fairly compact and undergrad-centric, with the professional schools primarily around the perimeter. And undergrads ultimately tend to find themselves in smaller, more intimate communities such as Kelly Writers House, academic and major-related groups, college houses, extra-curriculars, etc. Not that Yale and Penn are identical in the feel of their campuses, because they’re obviously not, but I wouldn’t place too much emphasis on the difference in size of their student bodies because, let’s face it, anything over a couple of thousand or so students is going to feel somewhat large.</p>
<p>Lol at the assertion that Yale and Penn wouldn’t consider each other peer schools. Get a grip!</p>
<p>In what world are Yale and Penn “peer” schools? Yale destroys Penn in cross-admit battle, has a much lower acceptance rate, higher caliber of students, and exponentially higher social prestige. Everyone knows that Yale is an elite schools while most people think Penn is a state schol with a good football team. </p>
<p>Americansushi, you made the right choice. Yale is an amazing undergrad experience that will give you a rich intellectual environment; at Penn you would have been lost in a pre-professional swamp where wharton people dominate the campus.</p>
<p>American sushi,</p>
<p>Get used to the smell of the chemicals from the manufacturing plants in New Haven (which is a complete dump). </p>
<p>Arbitrageur,</p>
<p>Did that great Yale education help you, along with the rest of your Wall Street friends, mess up the world’s financial system. I have rarely seen a more stuck up (and insecure) post than yours. Yale is a great school, but it has at least 20 peer schools (see all other Ivies, plus Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Williams, Amherst, Rice, Swarthmore, Pomona, Claremont McKenna, Georgetown, Middlebury, and Vanderbilt). Also, Penn clobbers Yale for medicine and business. Yale med and business school = average, Penn = top 5 in both. Plus, Philly is much nicer than New Haven by miles.</p>
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Spoken like a true ■■■■■.</p>
<p>IGNORE this guy–he’s an idiot who makes outrageous statements with no basis in fact or experience, and obviously has some deep-seated emotional ax to grind with Penn. I suspect that he’s a bitter Penn reject, or his Penn-grad girlfriend dumped him, or he lost out on a job to a Penn grad, or something like that. :rolleyes:</p>
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I seriously doubt that this buffoon went to Yale. ;)</p>
<p>I think Yale and Penn cross admits are a lot closer than some of you may think. I doubt the complete veracity of this site, but I think it holds some water.</p>
<p>For students admitted to both Penn and Yale, 53% chose Penn and 47% chose Yale.
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<p>HAHAHAHAHA I just spit out my coffee. Higher caliber of students? Anyone who chooses Yale over Penn for business, engineering, or med (three extremely popular professions coming out of a top school) is choosing the school of lesser prestige. There are valid reasons for doing so, but Penn does trump Yale in those areas.</p>
<p>Exponentially higher social prestige? Forgive me while I titter. This is entirely dependent on which circles you run in. Most companies do view them as equal when it comes to hiring. Some start-ups I’ve encountered actually think that Yale is softer and not good for breeding hard workers.</p>
<p>The only people who think that Yale is “more prestigious” than Penn and that it actually matters are high schoolers and college underclassmen who like to get into dick-measuring contests on the Internet. Will the average grandma have heard of Yale over Penn? Absolutely. Is the average grandma hiring you? Absolutely not.</p>
<p>A note to all high school students applying to university: throw your notions of prestige out the window. In the real world, nobody cares. Literally, unless you are trying to break into Goldman Sachs or a private equity shop, the top schools in this country, as listed by muckdogs07, are absolutely considered peer schools in the workforce. And after your first job, nobody cares.</p>
<p>Pick a school based on fit, not based on “OMG MORE RANDOM RESTAURANT WORKERS WILL KNOW WHAT YALE IS.”</p>
<p>And if you are trying to break into the financial sector, Penn has your back. Even if you’re not a Whartonite, Penn’s name has some leverage in these fields. </p>
<p>After being accepted to Penn, I’ve been getting “oh Penn State?” from the majority of my classmates. However, I recently went to a business conference where the business people I was networking with recognised Penn (not just Wharton) as a formidable institution.</p>
<p>nebbalish brings up a completely valid point. I have an acquaintance in the College of Arts and Sciences who is interning at Blackstone, a firm that many Wharton students would just about murder to intern at. Yet another sign that notions of prestige amongst these schools is stupid.</p>